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Tom Fitzgerald-2

David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

> "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"

My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3 first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3 would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that I was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human" ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted selling my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been discontinued (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang for your buck w
ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!

Tom, KD0BCF

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NK7Z

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Hi,

Thanks for that input, I still have the Pro 3, and will probably sell
it, if the performance is worse than teh K3. I will be able to A/B the
two rigs for about a week prior to station replacement.
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On Sat, 2014-04-12 at 23:29 -0500, Tom Fitzgerald wrote:
> > "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> > K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"
>
> My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3 first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3 would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that I was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human" ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted selling my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been discontinued (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang for your buck
w

> ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!
>
> Tom, KD0BCF
>
> "Two possibilities exist...
> Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
> Both are equally terrifying."
>
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Mike Sanders

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Tom Fitzgerald-2

I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios
are here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the
PROIII does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said
I thought the PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these
days. I can find strengths in both radios over the other. So I am lucky
to have both in front of me. The truth is I am still learning good things
about both of these rigs every day.
Elecrafts track record on support tells me they will be with me and my
K3 for a long time. This is a huge value consideration over other makers.
I think Elecraft is pretty unique in that regard and this reflector is
another
factor in choice.
It is a tough call if money is no object but if money is a factor (Isn't it
always?) a good used PROIII is a good choice in my opinion. I bought
mine new on a special special Dayton weekend some years back and
paid 2.2k for it NIB from a major seller. This was just before they closed
them out.
If it is a new country the K3 gets the call every time. GL es 73

KØAZ
Mike Sanders
EM37cd SW Missouri
www.k0az.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:29 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

> "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"

My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3
first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on
much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my
ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3
would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The
ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that I
was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both
radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human"
ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters
too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted selling
my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and
that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been discontinued
(obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang
for your buck w
ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL regret it. Sorry
about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so much "stuff" in
my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!

Tom, KD0BCF

"Two possibilities exist...
Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
Both are equally terrifying."

Arthur C. Clarke
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Fred Smith-2

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and I'm
half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but when
it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3. But don't get me
wrong my IC-9100 is going nowhere as there is nothing on the market to
replace it.

A close friend K0AZ Mike has all 3 radios K2/K3/KX3/PRO-III to compare. I
personally have listened to some weak signals here at home and at Mikes (20
mi from me) on the phone several times using a FTDX-5000MP/K3/IC-9100. We
both have similar antennas Mosley's at 55' all bands 10-40m. At times not
all but sometimes I have heard the PRO-III pick up signals that I could not
hear and Mike had problems with his K3.

I hate to speak in generalities but some days different things just work
radios and antennas both. I have had the pleasure of owning a few nice
radios several at the top of the list FTDX-5000MP/K3/KX3 for the newer
radios and some way down the list I enjoyed most all of them except for a
very few. I've thinned the herd quite a bit and kept 1 K2/K3/KX3/IC-9100 and
a bunch of mobiles and HT's.

I think the main thing is to just enjoy and use whatever you have, its a
hobby after all.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:45 AM
To: 'Tom Fitzgerald'; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios are
here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the PROIII
does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said I thought the
PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these days. I can find
strengths in both radios over the other. So I am lucky to have both in front
of me. The truth is I am still learning good things about both of these rigs
every day.
Elecrafts track record on support tells me they will be with me and my
K3 for a long time. This is a huge value consideration over other makers.
I think Elecraft is pretty unique in that regard and this reflector is
another factor in choice.
It is a tough call if money is no object but if money is a factor (Isn't it
always?) a good used PROIII is a good choice in my opinion. I bought mine
new on a special special Dayton weekend some years back and paid 2.2k for it
NIB from a major seller. This was just before they closed them out.
If it is a new country the K3 gets the call every time. GL es 73

KØAZ
Mike Sanders
EM37cd SW Missouri
www.k0az.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Fitzgerald
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

> "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want
> a K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"

My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3
first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on
much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my
ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3
would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The
ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that I
was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both
radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human"
ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters
too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted selling
my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and
that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been discontinued
(obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang
for your buck w ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL
regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so
much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!

Tom, KD0BCF

"Two possibilities exist...
Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
Both are equally terrifying."

Arthur C. Clarke
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NK7Z

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Hi Fred,
I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons...

A few miles can make a bit difference in props. I will do an A/B with
my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc. I will keep
the rig that performs better.

I have an interesting mix of conditions... 20 is very quiet and has
almost no noise on it, while 40 is filled with QRM. It will be
interesting to see what happens.

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On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 10:47 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:

> I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and I'm
> half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but when
> it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3. But don't get me
> wrong my IC-9100 is going nowhere as there is nothing on the market to
> replace it.
>
> A close friend K0AZ Mike has all 3 radios K2/K3/KX3/PRO-III to compare. I
> personally have listened to some weak signals here at home and at Mikes (20
> mi from me) on the phone several times using a FTDX-5000MP/K3/IC-9100. We
> both have similar antennas Mosley's at 55' all bands 10-40m. At times not
> all but sometimes I have heard the PRO-III pick up signals that I could not
> hear and Mike had problems with his K3.
>
> I hate to speak in generalities but some days different things just work
> radios and antennas both. I have had the pleasure of owning a few nice
> radios several at the top of the list FTDX-5000MP/K3/KX3 for the newer
> radios and some way down the list I enjoyed most all of them except for a
> very few. I've thinned the herd quite a bit and kept 1 K2/K3/KX3/IC-9100 and
> a bunch of mobiles and HT's.
>
> I think the main thing is to just enjoy and use whatever you have, its a
> hobby after all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike Sanders
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:45 AM
> To: 'Tom Fitzgerald'; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
>
> I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios are
> here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the PROIII
> does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said I thought the
> PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these days. I can find
> strengths in both radios over the other. So I am lucky to have both in front
> of me. The truth is I am still learning good things about both of these rigs
> every day.
> Elecrafts track record on support tells me they will be with me and my
> K3 for a long time. This is a huge value consideration over other makers.
> I think Elecraft is pretty unique in that regard and this reflector is
> another factor in choice.
> It is a tough call if money is no object but if money is a factor (Isn't it
> always?) a good used PROIII is a good choice in my opinion. I bought mine
> new on a special special Dayton weekend some years back and paid 2.2k for it
> NIB from a major seller. This was just before they closed them out.
> If it is a new country the K3 gets the call every time. GL es 73
>
> KØAZ
> Mike Sanders
> EM37cd SW Missouri
> www.k0az.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Fitzgerald
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:29 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
>
> > "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want
> > a K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"
>
> My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3
> first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on
> much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my
> ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3
> would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The
> ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that I
> was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both
> radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human"
> ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters
> too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted selling
> my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and
> that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been discontinued
> (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang
> for your buck w ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL
> regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so
> much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!
>
> Tom, KD0BCF
>
> "Two possibilities exist...
> Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
> Both are equally terrifying."
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
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Jim Brown-10

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Fred Smith-2

On 4/13/2014 8:47 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
> I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and I'm
> half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but when
> it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3.

A few decades ago, Richard Heyser, one of the wise men at JPL who helped
put us in space said about audio systems that "attempting to describe an
audio system using only frequency response was equivalent to attempting
to write poetry with only one word in our vocabulary."

The quality of a radio is defined by many things, some of which have
numbers tied to them and some of which do not. Several months ago, a
published table (was it from Radcom?) was posted here comparing the
transmitted phase noise of a dozen or more popular rigs, including the
K3, KX3, one or more Flex radios. A similar study could (and should) be
published to address clicks and TX IMD, and I think Rob Sherwood has
tackled much of that. TX and RX phase noise is a big deal in contests,
and even in big DX pileups -- it's not unusual to hear (and see a dirty
TX on a P3) splatter or click down onto the DX frequency! KE1B is about
8 miles from me using an ICOM 7600 to drive a big amp. His clicks and
phase noise wipe out about four times as much of the band as K6XX, who
is only 3 miles away but uses K3s to drive tube amps.

FCC Rules place limits on signal purity that, if you study them and do
the math, cannot be met by most rigs driving most solid state power amps
to full power. A K3 driving a properly tuned tube amp does satisfy those
Rules. Some ICOM rigs (the 7600 is one of them) allows the user to vary
the keying rise time over a wide range, most settings are very clicky,
including the default. I know this because I made a carefully controlled
set of on-the-air measurements of one owned by a neighbor.

All of this is apart from ergonomics issues, about which Fred has
written the book. :)

73, Jim K9YC

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Fwd: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sfbonk <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 9:40 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Something I did when I got the K3 and still had a 756. I liked the bandscope on the 756 and I knew the P3 was coming out, so I went with the K3. I ran the IF out from the K3 into the receive antenna input of the 756 and tuned it to the K3 IF frequency - had a K3 bandscope before the P3 was out! Once I was up and running with a P3, got rid of the 756.

73 de W3OU Steve

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Sent: Sun, Apr 13, 2014 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

Hi,

Thanks for that input, I still have the Pro 3, and will probably sell
it, if the performance is worse than teh K3. I will be able to A/B the
two rigs for about a week prior to station replacement.
--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Sat, 2014-04-12 at 23:29 -0500, Tom Fitzgerald wrote:
> > "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want a
> > K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"
>
> My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the K3
first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait on much
of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love my ProIII and
decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3 would likely have
several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by. The ProIII was fairly well
refined by that point in time & it turned out that I was correct about the K3. I
may get some static for this but I think both radios are pretty close in
performance...at least as judged by my "human" ear. I filled all the slots in
the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad filters too. I like both radios just fine
and would have very much regretted selling my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial
number which I spent about $3K on and that was well before the price increases.
The ProIII has been discontinued (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the
day...I think you got more bang for your buck
w
> ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL regret it. Sorry
about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get so much "stuff" in my
inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!

>
> Tom, KD0BCF
>
> "Two possibilities exist...
> Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
> Both are equally terrifying."
>
> Arthur C. Clarke
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Andy Faber

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

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David,
As a long time user of Pro2s (I have one at home, along with a 7600, plus
two on Aruba at P49Y) and K3s (one at home and one on Aruba), both radios
have many nice attributes. The intuitive interface on the Pro2 is a plus,
and I find it very easy to use in casual operating. The small size and many
nifty features of the K3 make it my preferred rig. The one place where I
notice a big difference is in CW contesting. I have done many CW contests
in SO2R mode with the K3 and either a Pro2 or the 7600 as the second radio.
On CW, the K3 is truly amazing. The roofing filters make you think you are
the only guy on the band (unless someone nearby has key clicks that actually
extend into your passband). With the Icoms, by contrast, you hear all sorts
of weird digital artifacts in the passband as a result (I think) of IMD and
mixing up nearby signals. The result is that your frequency doesn't sound
like a clear freq, even if it rally is so. This is not evident in casual
contesting, but on CW in a crowded band I definitely hear the difference
when switching between the radios. But a good Pro2 or 3 is a very
cost-effective choice.
73, andy ae6y

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Cole" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:20 AM
To: <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

> Hi Fred,
> I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons...
>
> A few miles can make a bit difference in props. I will do an A/B with
> my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc. I will keep
> the rig that performs better.
>
> I have an interesting mix of conditions... 20 is very quiet and has
> almost no noise on it, while 40 is filled with QRM. It will be
> interesting to see what happens.
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 10:47 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
>> I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and
>> I'm
>> half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but
>> when
>> it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3. But don't get
>> me
>> wrong my IC-9100 is going nowhere as there is nothing on the market to
>> replace it.
>>
>> A close friend K0AZ Mike has all 3 radios K2/K3/KX3/PRO-III to compare. I
>> personally have listened to some weak signals here at home and at Mikes
>> (20
>> mi from me) on the phone several times using a FTDX-5000MP/K3/IC-9100. We
>> both have similar antennas Mosley's at 55' all bands 10-40m. At times not
>> all but sometimes I have heard the PRO-III pick up signals that I could
>> not
>> hear and Mike had problems with his K3.
>>
>> I hate to speak in generalities but some days different things just work
>> radios and antennas both. I have had the pleasure of owning a few nice
>> radios several at the top of the list FTDX-5000MP/K3/KX3 for the newer
>> radios and some way down the list I enjoyed most all of them except for a
>> very few. I've thinned the herd quite a bit and kept 1 K2/K3/KX3/IC-9100
>> and
>> a bunch of mobiles and HT's.
>>
>> I think the main thing is to just enjoy and use whatever you have, it’s a
>> hobby after all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike Sanders
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:45 AM
>> To: 'Tom Fitzgerald'; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
>>
>> I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios
>> are
>> here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the PROIII
>> does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said I thought
>> the
>> PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these days. I can find
>> strengths in both radios over the other. So I am lucky to have both in
>> front
>> of me. The truth is I am still learning good things about both of these
>> rigs
>> every day.
>> Elecrafts track record on support tells me they will be with me and my
>> K3 for a long time. This is a huge value consideration over other makers.
>> I think Elecraft is pretty unique in that regard and this reflector is
>> another factor in choice.
>> It is a tough call if money is no object but if money is a factor (Isn't
>> it
>> always?) a good used PROIII is a good choice in my opinion. I bought mine
>> new on a special special Dayton weekend some years back and paid 2.2k for
>> it
>> NIB from a major seller. This was just before they closed them out.
>> If it is a new country the K3 gets the call every time. GL es 73
>>
>> KØAZ
>> Mike Sanders
>> EM37cd SW Missouri
>> www.k0az.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Fitzgerald
>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:29 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
>>
>> > "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want
>> > a K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"
>>
>> My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the
>> K3
>> first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait
>> on
>> much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love
>> my
>> ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3
>> would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by.
>> The
>> ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that
>> I
>> was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both
>> radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human"
>> ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad
>> filters
>> too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted
>> selling
>> my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and
>> that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been
>> discontinued
>> (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang
>> for your buck w ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL
>> regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get
>> so
>> much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!
>>
>> Tom, KD0BCF
>>
>> "Two possibilities exist...
>> Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
>> Both are equally terrifying."
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke
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Dr. William J. Schmidt, II

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

There are additional aspects of these comparisons that are not often discussed.

The ergonomics of the two radios are vastly different... and rightly so given their history. The Icom has had many more generations of radios to improve the look, feel and operation of the radio. After owning and operating both, I find that both have adequate controls places appropriately... both radios could improve the menus (cryptic at times).

The other aspect, which is sort of an elephant in the room is the repair histories and the way repairs are handled by the respective companies. I've never had a repair issue with my PRO III, although I have sent my 7800's back for service twice. It this case the radios sat in a queue at ICOM repair depot waiting for their turn to get fixed. Several weeks later the radios arrived without any warning, to sit out on my doorstep awaiting my arrival home. In contrast, I've had three issues with my K3... all three were diagnosed over the phone with tech support and parts shipped to me for install and immediate correction of the issues. While the K3 record on failures seems a bit higher than the Icom, the relative ease of troubleshooting and repair for a person like me (will full lab/ repair capabilities) is a wonder.

Neither of these things should be missed when contemplating a new radio.

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ PJ4HZ/ VP5HZ

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Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Andy Faber

That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
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On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 11:04 -0700, Andy Faber wrote:

> David,
> As a long time user of Pro2s (I have one at home, along with a 7600, plus
> two on Aruba at P49Y) and K3s (one at home and one on Aruba), both radios
> have many nice attributes. The intuitive interface on the Pro2 is a plus,
> and I find it very easy to use in casual operating. The small size and many
> nifty features of the K3 make it my preferred rig. The one place where I
> notice a big difference is in CW contesting. I have done many CW contests
> in SO2R mode with the K3 and either a Pro2 or the 7600 as the second radio.
> On CW, the K3 is truly amazing. The roofing filters make you think you are
> the only guy on the band (unless someone nearby has key clicks that actually
> extend into your passband). With the Icoms, by contrast, you hear all sorts
> of weird digital artifacts in the passband as a result (I think) of IMD and
> mixing up nearby signals. The result is that your frequency doesn't sound
> like a clear freq, even if it rally is so. This is not evident in casual
> contesting, but on CW in a crowded band I definitely hear the difference
> when switching between the radios. But a good Pro2 or 3 is a very
> cost-effective choice.
> 73, andy ae6y
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Cole" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:20 AM
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
>
> > Hi Fred,
> > I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons...
> >
> > A few miles can make a bit difference in props. I will do an A/B with
> > my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc. I will keep
> > the rig that performs better.
> >
> > I have an interesting mix of conditions... 20 is very quiet and has
> > almost no noise on it, while 40 is filled with QRM. It will be
> > interesting to see what happens.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> > for MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > for Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > for MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 10:47 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
> >> I have a newer Icom here and might have to debate the receiver issue and
> >> I'm
> >> half deaf. The Icom does have both CW and SSB filters/D-Star in it but
> >> when
> >> it comes to weak signal the K3 is superior as is the KX3. But don't get
> >> me
> >> wrong my IC-9100 is going nowhere as there is nothing on the market to
> >> replace it.
> >>
> >> A close friend K0AZ Mike has all 3 radios K2/K3/KX3/PRO-III to compare. I
> >> personally have listened to some weak signals here at home and at Mikes
> >> (20
> >> mi from me) on the phone several times using a FTDX-5000MP/K3/IC-9100. We
> >> both have similar antennas Mosley's at 55' all bands 10-40m. At times not
> >> all but sometimes I have heard the PRO-III pick up signals that I could
> >> not
> >> hear and Mike had problems with his K3.
> >>
> >> I hate to speak in generalities but some days different things just work
> >> radios and antennas both. I have had the pleasure of owning a few nice
> >> radios several at the top of the list FTDX-5000MP/K3/KX3 for the newer
> >> radios and some way down the list I enjoyed most all of them except for a
> >> very few. I've thinned the herd quite a bit and kept 1 K2/K3/KX3/IC-9100
> >> and
> >> a bunch of mobiles and HT's.
> >>
> >> I think the main thing is to just enjoy and use whatever you have, it’s a
> >> hobby after all.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike Sanders
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:45 AM
> >> To: 'Tom Fitzgerald'; [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
> >>
> >> I agree with Tom. I had a PROIII and then the K3. Both of these radios
> >> are
> >> here for the duration. As Tom says my K3 cost over twice what the PROIII
> >> does especially including the P3/SVGA. However I always said I thought
> >> the
> >> PROIII was the best bang for buck buy in ham radio these days. I can find
> >> strengths in both radios over the other. So I am lucky to have both in
> >> front
> >> of me. The truth is I am still learning good things about both of these
> >> rigs
> >> every day.
> >> Elecrafts track record on support tells me they will be with me and my
> >> K3 for a long time. This is a huge value consideration over other makers.
> >> I think Elecraft is pretty unique in that regard and this reflector is
> >> another factor in choice.
> >> It is a tough call if money is no object but if money is a factor (Isn't
> >> it
> >> always?) a good used PROIII is a good choice in my opinion. I bought mine
> >> new on a special special Dayton weekend some years back and paid 2.2k for
> >> it
> >> NIB from a major seller. This was just before they closed them out.
> >> If it is a new country the K3 gets the call every time. GL es 73
> >>
> >> KØAZ
> >> Mike Sanders
> >> EM37cd SW Missouri
> >> www.k0az.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Fitzgerald
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 11:29 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
> >>
> >> > "Can anyone point me at some resources to better understand why I want
> >> > a K3, as opposed to keeping my Icom 756 Pro III?"
> >>
> >> My advice...keep the ProIII & buy a K3 too...that's what I did. When the
> >> K3
> >> first came out, there was a waiting list to get one. I'm not one to wait
> >> on
> >> much of anything I want to buy and so I bought a ProIII instead. I love
> >> my
> >> ProIII and decided it was probably the smart move reasoning that the K3
> >> would likely have several (or more) "issues" & changes as time went by.
> >> The
> >> ProIII was fairly well refined by that point in time & it turned out that
> >> I
> >> was correct about the K3. I may get some static for this but I think both
> >> radios are pretty close in performance...at least as judged by my "human"
> >> ear. I filled all the slots in the K3 with the various 8 pole Inrad
> >> filters
> >> too. I like both radios just fine and would have very much regretted
> >> selling
> >> my ProIII. My K3 is a mid 3K serial number which I spent about $3K on and
> >> that was well before the price increases. The ProIII has been
> >> discontinued
> >> (obviously) by Icom now but...back in the day...I think you got more bang
> >> for your buck w ith the Icom. Again, my 2cents...don't sell it, you WILL
> >> regret it. Sorry about the SUPER late reply to your original post...I get
> >> so
> >> much "stuff" in my inbox that it's taken me this long to catch up!
> >>
> >> Tom, KD0BCF
> >>
> >> "Two possibilities exist...
> >> Either we are alone in the universe or we are not.
> >> Both are equally terrifying."
> >>
> >> Arthur C. Clarke
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
course, those in the early years weren't even
close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
heavily converted).

You will love it, I predict.

73, Phil w7ox

On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
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On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
> course, those in the early years weren't even
> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
> heavily converted).
>
> You will love it, I predict.
>
> 73, Phil w7ox
>
> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> > That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
> > I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
>
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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.

On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
> --
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> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
>> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
>> course, those in the early years weren't even
>> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
>> heavily converted).
>>
>> You will love it, I predict.
>>
>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>
>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
>>
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Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by NK7Z

The Pro series has some really cool features and is more sophisticated
than the K3 is some ways. But, there really is no comparison when it
comes to performance. I thought the Pro 2 was a "cool" radio, but I
think my K3 is a fantastic radio. I do miss the triple band-stacking
registers on the Icom though. That is really one of the few things that
Elecraft missed the mark on with the K3. Maybe they'll introduce a new
front panel that will allow for a few more features... Obviously, it
wasn't a deal breaker for me, and I don't miss the DSP artifacts, but
band stacking would be nice.

73,
Scott, N9AA

On 4/13/14 9:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

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Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!

I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National
NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my
station until 1965.

MEMORIES!!!!!!

Now it is K-3's forever.

73 de Milt, N5IA

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And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting. I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts.

It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
>
> I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965.
>
> MEMORIES!!!!!!
>
> Now it is K-3's forever.
>
> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
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> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
>> --
>> Thanks and 73's,
>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>> www.nk7z.net
>> for MixW support see;
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>> for Dopplergram information see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>> for MM-SSTV see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
>>> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
>>> course, those in the early years weren't even
>>> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
>>> heavily converted).
>>>
>>> You will love it, I predict.
>>>
>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>
>>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
>>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
>>>
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Martin Sole (HS0ZED)

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Scott Manthe-2

If you can remember to remember, hah! Then the K3 has a "sort of" quad
band stack register. You can program the M1 to M4 keys with a set of
different frequencies and recall them to get to whichever band segment
you want. They are not true band stack in the sense of remembering where
a recalled band stack register was last left they only remember their
programmed frequencies but it can aid jumping around a band. They also
remember mode and I think other settings. What's more they are band
sensitive so you can have a set of four band memories in M1 to M4 for
each band.

Now with programming the keypad as a band change switch using M>VFO you
can "almost" implement single key band change and stack switch. Okay so
it's 2 keys for a band change and 2 other keys for a stack switch, but
better than nothing, sometimes.

73
Martin, HS0ZED, A7???

On 14/04/2014 07:20, Scott Manthe wrote:

> The Pro series has some really cool features and is more sophisticated
> than the K3 is some ways. But, there really is no comparison when it
> comes to performance. I thought the Pro 2 was a "cool" radio, but I
> think my K3 is a fantastic radio. I do miss the triple band-stacking
> registers on the Icom though. That is really one of the few things
> that Elecraft missed the mark on with the K3. Maybe they'll introduce
> a new front panel that will allow for a few more features...
> Obviously, it wasn't a deal breaker for me, and I don't miss the DSP
> artifacts, but band stacking would be nice.
>
> 73,
> Scott, N9AA
>
>
> On 4/13/14 9:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
>
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Bill Frantz

Re: David Cole...756ProIII vs K3

And you can have completely different frequencies/modes on VFO-A
and VFO-B. I have the 5 frequencies on 60M set up that way. I
also have the Elecraft SSB and CW nets set up on M3 and the PSK
sub band and W1AW set up on M4. YMMV.

73 Bill, AE6JV

On 4/14/14 at 10:18 PM, [hidden email] (Martin Sole (HS0ZED)) wrote:

>If you can remember to remember, hah! Then the K3 has a "sort
>of" quad band stack register. You can program the M1 to M4 keys
>with a set of different frequencies and recall them to get to
>whichever band segment you want. They are not true band stack
>in the sense of remembering where a recalled band stack
>register was last left they only remember their programmed
>frequencies but it can aid jumping around a band. They also
>remember mode and I think other settings. What's more they are
>band sensitive so you can have a set of four band memories in
>M1 to M4 for each band.

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Re: 756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Phil Hystad-3

Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A rcvr.
After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW
intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good way to
go.
Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the VFO
for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins 75s3/32s3,
to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500, and P3 (all kits,
and no hardware/software failures, except those of the operator induced
kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my intercept days. Ever try changing
bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on an R-390. Not my idea of "fun". Sounds
like a few Keesler "Thompson Hall" folks out there. Right Fred.
OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil.
73,
Rick, W7LKG

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14
To: Milt -- N5IA
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3

Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I
am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers,
switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis
and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting
everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting.
I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like
tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch
on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts.

It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter
crystals all ready for when it is finished.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
>
> I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National
NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my
station until 1965.

>
> MEMORIES!!!!!!
>
> Now it is K-3's forever.
>
> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
>> --
>> Thanks and 73's,
>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>> www.nk7z.net
>> for MixW support see;
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>> for Dopplergram information see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>> for MM-SSTV see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in
>>> 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't
>>> even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily
>>> converted).
>>>
>>> You will love it, I predict.
>>>
>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>
>>> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
>>>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the

filters...

>>>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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NK7Z

Re: 756ProIII vs K3

In reply to this post by Milt -- N5IA

First RX I had was a regenerative homebrew one tube thing... Used to
listen to OEN on it. Until I grabbed the coil, which was in the plate
ckt. That would routinely teach me a lesson about HV.
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Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info

On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 21:26 -0700, Milt -- N5IA wrote:

> Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers!!!!
>
> I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National
> NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my
> station until 1965.
>
> MEMORIES!!!!!!
>
> Now it is K-3's forever.
>
> 73 de Milt, N5IA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Hystad
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
>
> And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s.
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :)
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> > for MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > for Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > for MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> >> David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best
> >> rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of
> >> course, those in the early years weren't even
> >> close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair,
> >> heavily converted).
> >>
> >> You will love it, I predict.
> >>
> >> 73, Phil w7ox
> >>
> >> On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote:
> >>> That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters...
> >>> I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU!
> >>
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