Elecraft CW Net cancellation

Hello,
    Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
Nets will be cancelled for this week.

See you all next Sunday.
    73,
         Kevin.  KD5ONS
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[gdaught6]

Kevin wrote...

>     Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets will be cancelled for this week.

But despair not!  Get on... everyone on earth will be trying to work
stations in North America!  Fill up your DXCC spreadsheet!  Have
fun!

There are lots of K3's and KPA500's on!  

73,



George T Daughters, K6GT
CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
October 6-7, 2012


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The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
they are gone.
     Kevin.  KD5ONS



On 2/19/2012 12:42 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Kevin wrote...
>
>>      Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets will be cancelled for this week.
> But despair not!  Get on... everyone on earth will be trying to work
> stations in North America!  Fill up your DXCC spreadsheet!  Have
> fun!
>
> There are lots of K3's and KPA500's on!
>
> 73,
>
>
>
> George T Daughters, K6GT
> CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
> October 6-7, 2012

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[Gary K9GS]

Kevin.....it's a contest, not a "chat".

Would you make the same comment about marathon runners not stopping for
a cup of coffee?



On 2/19/2012 2:46 PM, kevinr wrote:

> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
> they are gone.
>       Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>
> On 2/19/2012 12:42 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Kevin wrote...
>>
>>>       Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets will be cancelled for this week.
>> But despair not!  Get on... everyone on earth will be trying to work
>> stations in North America!  Fill up your DXCC spreadsheet!  Have
>> fun!
>>
>> There are lots of K3's and KPA500's on!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>
>>
>> George T Daughters, K6GT
>> CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
>> October 6-7, 2012
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[daleputnam]

And there is a slow speed net on Tues at 2100z 2pm and Thursday, at 14.062, RMR net a nice informal net...anyone is welcome..

--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:46:08 -0800

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation
>
> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
> they are gone.
>      Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>
> On 2/19/2012 12:42 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Kevin wrote...
> >
> >>      Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW Nets will be cancelled for this week.
> > But despair not!  Get on... everyone on earth will be trying to work
> > stations in North America!  Fill up your DXCC spreadsheet!  Have
> > fun!
> >
> > There are lots of K3's and KPA500's on!
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >
> >
> > George T Daughters, K6GT
> > CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
> > October 6-7, 2012
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[Ken G Kopp]

Fred KE7X, one of the "big guns" in this ... and other ... contests is operating
from here as an SO2R operation with two K3 / P3 pairs.  Rose and I are his
"pit crew".

Some will recognize Fred as the author of the popular after-market K3 manual.

Don't call him though ... US QSO's don't count in this one. (:-))

73!

Ken - K0PP
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[Rick Tavan N6XI]

The WARC bands should be quiet

Rick N6XI

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On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM, kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>    Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
> Nets will be cancelled for this week.
>
> See you all next Sunday.
>    73,
>         Kevin.  KD5ONS
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[KEN-3]

On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, kevinr wrote:

> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
> they are gone.


What's the purpose of exchanging a signal report if they are always 599 even if they can barely copy you?  ;-)

Oh, never mind....

Ken WA8JXM
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[k6dgw]

On 2/19/2012 10:16 AM, kevinr wrote:
> Hello,
>      Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
> Nets will be cancelled for this week.

It's the annual ARRL DX CW ...W/VE work everyone else and vice versa.
It is over at 2359Z today [Sunday].

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

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[Chester Alderman]

If the ECN (I guess that means Elcraft Cw Net?) is for chatting on a clear
frequency, why is it not on the WARC bands (contest free) and/or why is it
on the weekend when it is well known that almost every weekend there is many
different contest going on. (And they have been going on for YEARS!)
Besides, who in their right mind is going to put aside several hours each
weekend to find out how much snow fell in different locations or what
someone's present temperature is at the moment??? How boring can you get?
As many 500 watt reports coming from Europe this weekend, you would get the
impression that all of the KPA-500's went to Europe and they are being put
to the test. IMO, contesting is a heck of a lot more fun than listening to
what one's temperature is?

YMMV

Tom - W4BQF


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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:26 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation

Exactly his point, Gary. The ECN net is about chatting on a clear frequency.
It was obvious that with the wall-to-wall QRM of contest stations scrambling
for points that such a gathering wasn't going to work, so he cancelled this
week.

George encouraged him to get on anyway and Kevin replied that the people
filling the bands today don't want to chat.

I, and I bet Kevin, wouldn't expect marathon runners to stop for coffee
either nor would we even try to encourage them to do so. We go out of our
way to be polite and not interfere with other people.

It's disappointing to notice how many contesters don't exercise the same
caution to avoid QRMing a net or rag chew in progress. Rather than interfere
with them as they come crowding into my QSO, I just head for 30 meters.
Whew! A 50 kHz safety island in the middle of the chaos, HI!

73,

Ron AC7AC



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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net cancellation

Kevin.....it's a contest, not a "chat".

Would you make the same comment about marathon runners not stopping for
a cup of coffee?


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It is interesting to note how peoples' tastes differ.
     Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 2/19/2012 2:02 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:

> If the ECN (I guess that means Elcraft Cw Net?) is for chatting on a clear
> frequency, why is it not on the WARC bands (contest free) and/or why is it
> on the weekend when it is well known that almost every weekend there is many
> different contest going on. (And they have been going on for YEARS!)
> Besides, who in their right mind is going to put aside several hours each
> weekend to find out how much snow fell in different locations or what
> someone's present temperature is at the moment??? How boring can you get?
> As many 500 watt reports coming from Europe this weekend, you would get the
> impression that all of the KPA-500's went to Europe and they are being put
> to the test. IMO, contesting is a heck of a lot more fun than listening to
> what one's temperature is?
>
> YMMV
>
> Tom - W4BQF

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[Gary K9GS]

Yes and that's exactly the point.

The WARC bands are, by design, contest free.

Thanks Rick.....



On 2/19/2012 3:01 PM, Rick Tavan wrote:

> The WARC bands should be quiet
>
> Rick N6XI
>
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> On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:16 AM, kevinr<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>     Due to whichever contest is dominating the bands the Elecraft CW
>> Nets will be cancelled for this week.
>>
>> See you all next Sunday.
>>     73,
>>          Kevin.  KD5ONS
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Gary K9GS

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[David Gilbert]

The signal report in most contests is a historical artifact.  It isn't
even checked as part of the log checking process (which is why everyone
uses "599") but contest sponsors are reluctant to drop it from the
exchange anyway, presumably for legacy reasons such as possible effect
on QSO rate ... i.e., impact on current scores relative to past
records.   In addition, many contesters prefer that it be retained as
well because in situations of high QRN or QRM it can act as a preface or
"warning" in rhythm that the important part of the exchange is coming next.

By the way, why is it a "problem" that people in a contest don't want to
stop and chat?  That's like saying you don't understand why a
participant in a 10K foot race doesn't stop and chat with bystanders
along the route.   Silly.

Dave   AB7E



On 2/19/2012 2:08 PM, Ken wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, kevinr wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
>> they are gone.
>
> What's the purpose of exchanging a signal report if they are always 599 even if they can barely copy you?  ;-)
>
> Oh, never mind....
>
> Ken WA8JXM

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[Gary K9GS]

Well Ken, one can nit pick many aspects of our hobby.  What's your point?

I've always wondered why non-contesters worry so much about what
contesters do?

I certainly don't spend my time worrying about what net operators do, 2M
shack-on-the-belt types, etc.

The HK0NA DX-Pedition made over 193,000 DX QSOs....and I'll bet 99.9% of
the signal reports given were 59(9).



On 2/19/2012 3:08 PM, Ken wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, kevinr wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem is they don't want to chat about anything.  5NN and
>> they are gone.
>
> What's the purpose of exchanging a signal report if they are always 599 even if they can barely copy you?  ;-)
>
> Oh, never mind....
>
> Ken WA8JXM
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[Chester Alderman]

Well yes it is Kevin. The CW nets I was in in 1951 were used to pass message
traffic. You would think if there is a 'net' using the Elecraft name, the
least that could be done is to discuss technical issues about Elecraft ham
gear. That I know of, Elecraft does not make thermometers or gauges to
measure snow fall. But the 'law' is, if you are having fun, you should
continue, as I will do with contesting on the weekends, leaving the WARC
band free.

Tom - W4BQF


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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:56 PM
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It is interesting to note how peoples' tastes differ.
     Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 2/19/2012 2:02 PM, Tommy Alderman wrote:
> If the ECN (I guess that means Elcraft Cw Net?) is for chatting on a clear
> frequency, why is it not on the WARC bands (contest free) and/or why is it
> on the weekend when it is well known that almost every weekend there is
many
> different contest going on. (And they have been going on for YEARS!)
> Besides, who in their right mind is going to put aside several hours each
> weekend to find out how much snow fell in different locations or what
> someone's present temperature is at the moment??? How boring can you get?
> As many 500 watt reports coming from Europe this weekend, you would get
the
> impression that all of the KPA-500's went to Europe and they are being put
> to the test. IMO, contesting is a heck of a lot more fun than listening to
> what one's temperature is?
>
> YMMV
>
> Tom - W4BQF
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[KEN-3]

On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:

> Well Ken, one can nit pick many aspects of our hobby.  What's your point?

I guess my point is that the signal report has been cheapened into being valueless.   Why give anyone a signal report if it's a lie?   <sigh>   I guess ham radio has just changed so much over the years.....


>
> I've always wondered why non-contesters worry so much about what
> contesters do?

You are right, I don't care about what contesters do.  But the same 599 "standard" seems to have invaded the digital modes, which I do operate.  I mean why bother with a signal report if it's totally inaccurate?   I really am interested in what my signal really is.  

Personally, I won't give out a signal report until I get a chance to look at the S-meter.

>
> The HK0NA DX-Pedition made over 193,000 DX QSOs....and I'll bet 99.9% of
> the signal reports given were 59(9).

Now IMO, that's really sad if true.  Why pass along false information?   Some people probably would like to know (truthfully) how their signal compares.

Ken WA8JXM





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[Buddy Brannan]

And speaking of how ham radio must be changing over the years, what the heck did people do about signal reports before they had S meets to read? Bear in mind that this question is mostly rhetorical. I don't bother with S meter readings myself, but I do try to give honest signal reports anyway. BTW, you'll note that many if not most contests don't use signal reports as part of the exchange anymore precisely because of the "599 problem". (Obviously, the current, or recently finished, is an exception.)

I predict an end of thread message shortly.
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On Feb 19, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Ken wrote:

>
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>
>> Well Ken, one can nit pick many aspects of our hobby.  What's your point?
>
> I guess my point is that the signal report has been cheapened into being valueless.   Why give anyone a signal report if it's a lie?   <sigh>   I guess ham radio has just changed so much over the years.....
>
>
>>
>> I've always wondered why non-contesters worry so much about what
>> contesters do?
>
> You are right, I don't care about what contesters do.  But the same 599 "standard" seems to have invaded the digital modes, which I do operate.  I mean why bother with a signal report if it's totally inaccurate?   I really am interested in what my signal really is.  
>
> Personally, I won't give out a signal report until I get a chance to look at the S-meter.
>
>>
>> The HK0NA DX-Pedition made over 193,000 DX QSOs....and I'll bet 99.9% of
>> the signal reports given were 59(9).
>
> Now IMO, that's really sad if true.  Why pass along false information?   Some people probably would like to know (truthfully) how their signal compares.
>
> Ken WA8JXM
>
>
>
>
>
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[daleputnam]

Having used rx that didn't have S-meters, and those that do... then I find a great rx that makes all the "calibration" of my "internal" S meter rather an interesting conflict to watch, when using a fine tuned K2, with either analog or dsp filtering.. I find the "internal" S meter goes from 229 to 599 in .002 microseconds. I've found that with the K2, the ramp between not reading and reading a signal, (on cw) is a short trip, and one traversed quickly. QSB, and very occasionally qrm/qrn will make the transition closer to what the "internal" S meter expects. As far as contest 599 reports... it is more what the other op is expecting. That, and a QSL still requires a S meter reading.. what ever value you need.. but for those that have started using the new, and very much improved rx on the market today.... SPECIFICALLY the Elecraft line, if you can hear the other station.. he's already 5nn, or you wouldn't be answering his call.   It isn't the operator that has lead us into this.
 .. it is the excellant quality of rx.. and I, for one, am plumb tickled with these advancements. Contest, rag chew, nets.. they all drive the advancement of the circuits, in their own way, and it works great!! Thank you Elecraft!   How else would I be able to log 53 countries in 6.5 hours??? Or call the RMR net on 20 twice a week, 14.0625 at 2100z Tues and Thurs.

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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

> It's been nearly a century since the T report had any meaning, yet we
> Hams still use it.

It's a shame Tone doesn't mean something these days ... there's still a
place for accurate reports.  There's a 9Y with a very "whoopy" sounding
note, and an N4 this weekend that was all broadband noise - sounded
like it could have been a spark signal.  Both would certainly merit
other than "T9" reports.  Of course, both were getting the canned "5NN"
reports ...

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2/19/2012 11:02 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> Of course, RST readings started "by ear" but one of the first ways to
> "automate" the strength report was used by an early National SW-3 regen from
> the late 20's or early 30's. It had a volume control calibrated in "S"
> units. You adjusted it for comfortable listening and looked at the knob for
> the signal strength, Hi!
>
> I have always preferred what the commercial CW operators used, the QSA
> report. QSA1 for audible but unreadable to QSA5 for perfect copy. The QSA
> report considered both the strength and the 'copyability' of the signal. A
> huge signal but a lousy "fist" might merit a QSA2. A much weaker signal but
> in the clear with a good fist might deserve a QSA5.
>
> There was no reference to the "T" for tone. That came in with the push for
> d-c voltage on the plates of tubes in the early 20's. It was common for many
> hams to run A-C right from a transformer (or the mains) on the plates of
> their tubes, producing a very harsh modulated CW signal. But, since many
> Hams were still running spark, it wasn't considered a spectrum hog.
>
> As time went by and spark was phased out, there was big push for a clear "dc
> tone" from Hams as indicated by T-9 in the RST scale. It was unimportant for
> most commercial use because ships commonly used modulated CW. Indeed,
> modulated CW was *required* on the distress frequencies.
>
> It's been nearly a century since the T report had any meaning, yet we Hams
> still use it.
>
> It's 'tradition' :)
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> And speaking of how ham radio must be changing over the years, what the heck
> did people do about signal reports before they had S meets to read? Bear in
> mind that this question is mostly rhetorical. I don't bother with S meter
> readings myself, but I do try to give honest signal reports anyway. BTW,
> you'll note that many if not most contests don't use signal reports as part
> of the exchange anymore precisely because of the "599 problem". (Obviously,
> the current, or recently finished, is an exception.)
>
> I predict an end of thread message shortly.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: [phone] or 888-75-BUDDY
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LOTW requires no signal report for validation, although it accepts one.
eQSL requires no signal report for validation, although it accepts one.

In both cases the required data is: Call, UTC Date/Time, Mode and TX Band.

Both also accept other data for awards such county hunting, WAS, WAC, WAZ etc.

Both are less expensive than QSL cards, envelopes and postage.

As far as contests are concerned, I believe they are out of control, but that's
MY opinion.  I could be wrong.

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 20:26:29 -0700, Dale Putnam <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
[snip]
>As far as contest 599 reports... it is more what the other op is expecting. That, and a QSL still requires a S meter reading
[snip}

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