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EUGENE GABRY

Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

Very good point Tony....
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1696.html

Puts things into perspective :)

73 Gene N9TF

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>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

>Have any of you who are complaining seen the prices of speakers from other
radio manufacturers? How about the other third-party speaker makers?
>Elecraft is in the ballpark.

>A lot of folks asked (begged, bugged, pestered...) Elecraft to come out
with a speaker for the line. They finally relented. Thank you, Elecraft!

>73, Tony K4QE
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Jeff Griffin

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Or for the same price as 2 SP3's....

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1301.html

73 Jeff kb2m

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Gary Gregory-2

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I actually owned an FTDX9000 and the matching speaker.

This is just my observation, the speaker was a disappointment, BUT, the 9000's internal speakers were excellent. Amazing quality noticed by my really not good hearing as well as Tinitus.

I have now moved to headphones for serious operating, casual use I find the newly upgraded audio on my k3 pretty good.

Gary

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Or for the same price as 2 SP3's....

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1301.html

73 Jeff kb2m

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Terry Myers

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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Just because others are doing it doesn't make it right!

73,
Terry, KQ5U

On 9/14/2015 10:01 PM, Gene Gabry wrote:

>
> Very good point Tony....
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1696.html
>
> Puts things into perspective :)
>
> 73 Gene N9TF
>
> K3S 10057
>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details
>> Have any of you who are complaining seen the prices of speakers from other
> radio manufacturers? How about the other third-party speaker makers?
>> Elecraft is in the ballpark.
>> A lot of folks asked (begged, bugged, pestered...) Elecraft to come out
> with a speaker for the line. They finally relented. Thank you, Elecraft!
>
>> 73, Tony K4QE
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Johnny Siu

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The retail price of ICOM SP23 in Akihabara, Tokyo is now about USD80.
73
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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

Just because others are doing it doesn't make it right!

73,
Terry, KQ5U

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EUGENE GABRY

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

Johnny,

Are you sure that's not a knock off at that price? With the yen devalued, hovering around 120:1(USD), I would think it would be more expensive in Japan than what it sells for in the US. I've been to Akihabara many times, and I would tend to question its authenticity. I'll be back there this October, and will check it out.

73 Gene N9TF

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The retail price of ICOM SP23 in Akihabara, Tokyo is now about USD80.
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Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Terry <[hidden email]>
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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

Just because others are doing it doesn't make it right!

73,
Terry, KQ5U

On 9/14/2015 10:01 PM, Gene Gabry wrote:

>
> Very good point Tony....
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1696.html
>
> Puts things into perspective :)
>
> 73 Gene N9TF
>
> K3S 10057
>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details Have
>> any of you who are complaining seen the prices of speakers from other
> radio manufacturers? How about the other third-party speaker makers?
>> Elecraft is in the ballpark.
>> A lot of folks asked (begged, bugged, pestered...) Elecraft to come
>> out
> with a speaker for the line. They finally relented. Thank you, Elecraft!
>
>> 73, Tony K4QE
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Jim Bolit

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Cost and price are "loosely coupled".
Apple products are a perfect example of this
JimW6AIM

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I can't imagine what makes it cost that much. Too rich for my anemic blood.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Cliff Frescura <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Didn't ask. But the web site lists the SP3 at $179

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Raymond Sills

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I’d challenge anyone to make a perfect clone of the SP3 speaker, and do it for less. Sure, a offshore company might be able to make a close copy and sell for less, but that is likely due to the abysmal compensation paid to many workers there.

If you were to build an SP3 yourself, it’s not merely the cost of components and materials, but also the cost of tools (fine, if you have them already) and the time it takes to build and test it. Yes, it might be “fun” to build it, but the fact is you are paying for your labor… in time that is taken from some other enterprise. Time is money, too.

And, you would have to include the time it takes to plan (engineer), gather materials, and the place where you will build it.
All of those tend to be invisible costs, but they are costs. I’m sure many people would prefer to take advantage of the economies of scale, and let Elecraft make the speaker for them.

Of course, everyone lives on some sort of budget, and the price of the SP3 puts it out of reach for some people. As mentioned, I think the market will decide.

73 de Ray
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Phil Wheeler-2

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Always good prices there; of course getting there
is expensive for most of us :-)

Phil W7OX

On 9/15/15 4:25 AM, Johnny Siu wrote:
> The retail price of ICOM SP23 in Akihabara, Tokyo is now about USD80.
> 73
> Johnny VR2XMC

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Johnny Siu

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Hello Gene,
I do not want to publicize any Japanese dealer in this mail listing because I am not a radio dealer or doing any radio dealing business.
The official full listed price of Icom SP23 is JPY12,800 (+VAT)
IC-7600　オプション｜アマチュア無線機器｜アイコム株式会社

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| IC-7600　オプション｜アマチュア無線機器｜アイ...SP-23 外部スピーカー 145（W）mm × 111（H）mm × 282.5（D）mm （突起物除く） \12,800＋税 |
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| 查看於 www.icom.co.jp | Yahoo 預覽 |
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As a foreigner, we have no need to pay any VAT in Japan. Furthermore, street retail price is at a handsome discount on the official full listed price.
If you want me to give your more details about ham shops in Akihabara, Tokyo, please feel free to contact me off-the-list.
73
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Johnny,

Are you sure that's not a knock off at that price? With the yen devalued, hovering around 120:1(USD), I would think it would be more expensive in Japan than what it sells for in the US. I've been to Akihabara many times, and I would tend to question its authenticity. I'll be back there this October, and will check it out.

73 Gene N9TF

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Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

The retail price of ICOM SP23 in Akihabara, Tokyo is now about USD80.
73
Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ Terry <[hidden email]>
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主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

Just because others are doing it doesn't make it right!

73,
Terry, KQ5U

On 9/14/2015 10:01 PM, Gene Gabry wrote:

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Elecraft SP3 External Speaker details

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Terry, KQ5U wrote:

> Just because others are doing it doesn't make it right!

Right? As in breaking a law or violating a bible verse or something?

These things are just purchase choices. Might as well complain about
wallpaper. Something done both functional and pretty. Sometimes "pretty" is
very useful in the household environment, where someone (nobody named)
insists on the station "looking good" or moving "that mess" to the unheated
garage.

A lot of matching speakers have been sold over eight decades, as in back to
the 1940's matching speaker for a National NC-2-40-D and its sibling
variants, which was a good looking ginormous heavy matching style boat
anchor electromagnet speaker near as big as the 240D.
http://www.tuberadio.com/240d/240D.html Note the matching feet. Great
sound by the way, for listening to AM music broadcast. Magnet current for
the electromagnet in the speaker came from the radio.

Manufacturers make those things because customers want them and buy them.
Just to name a few of the many more, Collins had a matching speaker for the
gold dust twins and then for the S line. Heathkit's SB series had a
matching speaker SB600 which could hold the power supply for an
SB100/101/102 transceiver. This goes on without a break to the current day.
I'm sure Wayne had a huge stack of requests to justify the business
expense. He ain't building anything without a market. (We should have
figured that out by now.)

There's a long, long tradition very firmly behind visually matching speaker
units. And then one must remember that a lot of people voted for these with
their wallets. If they want to buy it, and if it ain't illegal, poisonous,
explosive, or whatever dangerous, why not?

To my way of thinking, it's just another thing that keeps our manufacturer
profitable, and therefore still in business. I like that "still in
business" thing. Means I'm still getting new development, fixes, etc.

73, Guy
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Mike Markowski-2

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Following up on Jim w6aim's comment, a friend of mine used to design
cell phones was amazed at marketing people. She says the difference in
memory options, e.g., 16/32/64 GB, had an actual cost difference of
US$1. But the marketing group turned it into $100 difference - and
people pay. She said the engineering group incorrectly believed no one
would fall for it!

Regarding radio speakers, I currently use out of production Dell
computer speakers, left overs from work:

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-A525-Computer-Speakers-Subwoofer/dp/B000GSVPLO

which are great with K3 and also listening to streaming music, youtube,
etc. They cost well under $100. If pair of Elecraft speakers cost 4x
as much & offer 4x as much (any specs yet?), it's a good deal. But
aesthetic value is uniquely personal - which is why such a long thread!
For me, Dell will likely be fine. :-)

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 09/15/2015 09:00 AM, Jim Bolit wrote:
> Cost and price are "loosely coupled".
> Apple products are a perfect example of this
> JimW6AIM
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Jim Low man

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We should be grateful that we are dealing with a company like Elecraft,
where the principals listen to what their customers want and, wherever
possible, accommodate these requests.
Having a matching speaker was a requested item some time ago, if memory
serves.

If it's not possible for an individual to justify the cost, then the
simple answer is not to buy it.

My one request to Eric, last year at his presentation at Pacificon, was
for a standalone, all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
My rationale was that, since Elecraft sells transverters for 2m, 220 MHz
and 432 MHz, they already have the technology to make this possible.
It came down to the fact that there may not be a large enough market for
such a transceiver. Makes sense.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 9/15/2015 6:46 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Manufacturers make those things because customers want them and buy them.
73, Guy
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I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
interest. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 9/14/2015 9:53 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Or for the same price as 2 SP3's....
>
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/speakers/1301.html
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>
> 73 Jeff kb2m

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On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
> interest. :-)

Considering the endless discussions of headphones and microphones, I'm
not surprised. :=)

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It’s a good thing there isn’t a choice of cabinet color …. ;-)

Grant NQ5T

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Alan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
>> interest. :-)
>
> Considering the endless discussions of headphones and microphones, I'm not surprised. :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>

Gary Gregory-2

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Alan,

Elecraft knew I would buy the SP3 but because I finished my operating space for the k-line first I am forced to buy a P3 now so they can both sit on top of the k-3 and not get launched at the first bend in the road.

Now I call THAT marketing magic.

Gary

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On 09/15/2015 07:17 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I am truly stunned that a simple speaker could generate this much
> interest. :-)

Considering the endless discussions of headphones and microphones, I'm
not surprised. :=)

Alan N1AL

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Groan.
Gary

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It’s a good thing there isn’t a choice of cabinet color …. ;-)

Grant NQ5T

Don Wilhelm-4

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As Henry Ford reportedly said "you can have it in any color as long as
it is black":-)

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/15/2015 11:10 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> It’s a good thing there isn’t a choice of cabinet color …. ;-)
>
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Hey, make note: This is the ELECRAFT reflector.

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> 73,
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