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w0mu

Feature request

If there is a way to do this already please excuse the request.

Radio without 2nd receiver

When working split it would be nice to display your transmit frequency. Say
you have 21.295 for VFO A receiving K5D and VFO B at 21.305 for transmit.
While I see the TX arrow on B it would be nice to see that you were actually
transmitting on 305 on the main display.

In split mode could it be possible to display the 2nd VFO frequency and be
able to change the vfo with the sub/rit knob. In split I can't recall ever
needing to use the rit feature.

It would be nice to have immediate control over both vfo's if possible.

Yaesu has a feature called quick split that put the radio in split mode up 5
or 10. It was pretty handy.

I guess it has been a while since I had a radio that did not have a 2nd
receiver or at least a radio that could listen two places on the same band.

I have the 2nd receiver kit in the box. It will be installed soon.

Mike W0MU

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin

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JIM DAVIS-11

Re: Feature request

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:56:47 -0700
"W0MU Mike Fatchett" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If there is a way to do this already please excuse the request.
>
> Radio without 2nd receiver
>
> When working split it would be nice to display your transmit frequency. Say
> you have 21.295 for VFO A receiving K5D and VFO B at 21.305 for transmit.
> While I see the TX arrow on B it would be nice to see that you were actually
> transmitting on 305 on the main display.
>
> In split mode could it be possible to display the 2nd VFO frequency and be
> able to change the vfo with the sub/rit knob. In split I can't recall ever
> needing to use the rit feature.
>
> It would be nice to have immediate control over both vfo's if possible.
>
> Yaesu has a feature called quick split that put the radio in split mode up 5
> or 10. It was pretty handy.
>
>
> I guess it has been a while since I had a radio that did not have a 2nd
> receiver or at least a radio that could listen two places on the same band.
>
> I have the 2nd receiver kit in the box. It will be installed soon.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> "A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
> never get over." Ben Franklin
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>Mike,

While you're right in your assumptioms that all of these other mis-steps can be rectified via
software revisions, you can, as I have experienced earlier, that those questions are out here
sometimes are MET with ridicule as I've experienced!

Jim/nn6ee

PS,

When that happens obviously the "NEGATIVE COMMENTS" should be thrown in the "GARBAGE!!!"

Jim/nn6ee
S/N 2406 (K3)

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Bill W4ZV

Re: Feature request

In reply to this post by w0mu

W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote

If there is a way to do this already please excuse the request.

Radio without 2nd receiver

When working split it would be nice to display your transmit frequency. Say
you have 21.295 for VFO A receiving K5D and VFO B at 21.305 for transmit.
While I see the TX arrow on B it would be nice to see that you were actually
transmitting on 305 on the main display.

TAP DISP. You must have DISP set to read one of the other options like TIME, etc.

73, Bill

w0mu

Re: Feature request

In reply to this post by JIM DAVIS-11

Jim,

I don't worry about the negative comments. Just because a couple people
don't like something does not mean that many others do.

I have noticed that this list can be a bit on the harsh side especially with
new user type questions.

Ideas and or thoughts are tossed out the Elecraft. If they choose to make
changes great, if not great.

The goal is make the radio even better not just for one but for all.

Still learning and enjoying.

Mike W0MU

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: JIM DAVIS [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 4:19 PM
To: W0MU Mike Fatchett; [hidden email]
Subject: Re:Re: [Elecraft] Feature request

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:56:47 -0700
"W0MU Mike Fatchett" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If there is a way to do this already please excuse the request.
>
> Radio without 2nd receiver
>
> When working split it would be nice to display your transmit
> frequency. Say you have 21.295 for VFO A receiving K5D and VFO B at
21.305 for transmit.

> While I see the TX arrow on B it would be nice to see that you were
> actually transmitting on 305 on the main display.
>
> In split mode could it be possible to display the 2nd VFO frequency
> and be able to change the vfo with the sub/rit knob. In split I can't
> recall ever needing to use the rit feature.
>
> It would be nice to have immediate control over both vfo's if possible.
>
> Yaesu has a feature called quick split that put the radio in split
> mode up 5 or 10. It was pretty handy.
>
>
> I guess it has been a while since I had a radio that did not have a
> 2nd receiver or at least a radio that could listen two places on the same

band.

>
> I have the 2nd receiver kit in the box. It will be installed soon.
>
> Mike W0MU
>
> "A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you
> may never get over." Ben Franklin
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>Mike,

While you're right in your assumptioms that all of these other mis-steps can
be rectified via software revisions, you can, as I have experienced earlier,
that those questions are out here sometimes are MET with ridicule as I've
experienced!

Jim/nn6ee

PS,

When that happens obviously the "NEGATIVE COMMENTS" should be thrown in the
"GARBAGE!!!"

Jim/nn6ee
S/N 2406 (K3)

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W0FK

Re: Feature request

This post was updated on .

In reply to this post by w0mu

Having a "quick split" feature would be great! My IC-7800 has that, and I miss it on the K3. Hold split, enter the "up" split frequency (up 1, up 5, etc.) and the second VFO is there. No counting or adding.

Lou, W0FK

W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote

<<snip>>

Yaesu has a feature called quick split that put the radio in split mode up 5
or 10. It was pretty handy.

<<snip>>

St. Louis, MO

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genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

gm3sek

Re: Feature request

W0FK wrote:
>
>Having a "quick split" feature would be great! My IC-7800 has that, and
>I miss it on the K3. Hold split, enter the "up" split frequency (up 1,
>up 5, etc.) and the seconnd VFO is there. No counting or adding.
>

"Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup split" - is
an option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost
twenty years.

If this option was available and selected, then holding SPLIT would
automate the following sequence which presently has to be done manually:

1. Double-tap A>B (reset VFO B, and sub-rx if present, to a known state)

2. Hold SPLIT.

3. Tune VFO B away from VFO A by a selected amount (+/- in 1kHz steps,
either by pre-selection or 'on the fly' - but the latter would require
extensive error trapping).

4. Turn sub-rx on (if it wasn't already on).

5. Disable TX on VFO A frequency until SPLIT is canceled (error trapping
for the A/B, REV and A>B buttons).

At present this whole sequence relies on the operator doing all the
right things, and then continuing not to do any wrong things. Errors
are punished by major embarrassment (literally, world-class).

Nevertheless, this function should only be an OPTION. It will not be
needed by anyone who never works a pileup, is never in a hurry and/or
never makes a mistake.

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Val-12

Re: Feature request

> "Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup split" - is
> an option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost
> twenty years.
>
> If this option was available and selected, then holding SPLIT would
> automate the following sequence which presently has to be done manually:
>
> 1. Double-tap A>B (reset VFO B, and sub-rx if present, to a known state)
>
> 2. Hold SPLIT.
>
> 3. Tune VFO B away from VFO A by a selected amount (+/- in 1kHz steps,
> either by pre-selection or 'on the fly' - but the latter would require
> extensive error trapping).
>
> 4. Turn sub-rx on (if it wasn't already on).
>
> 5. Disable TX on VFO A frequency until SPLIT is canceled (error trapping
> for the A/B, REV and A>B buttons).

6. Switch VFO B display to show VFO B frequency if it currently shows some
voltage, temperature, decoded text, etc.

73 Val, LZ1VB

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Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Re: Feature request

In reply to this post by gm3sek

Ian GM3SEK wrote:

"Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup split" - is
an option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost
twenty years.

Make that forty or so Ian if homebrewed rigs count :-)

When using multiple offset "auto split" I find it useful to have the actual
frequency difference between the transmit and receive frequencies displayed.
If this display was available in a rig without any form of "auto split",
then setting VFO B to the desired transmit frequency quickly would not
require any mental arithmatic before calling a DX station and before the
cluster mob arrives, very important at 2 am!

If this can be done with the K3, my apology for this suggestion.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

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w0mu

Re: Feature request

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Turn sub rcv on for those that have it.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian White GM3SEK
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:28 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature request

W0FK wrote:
>
>Having a "quick split" feature would be great! My IC-7800 has that, and
>I miss it on the K3. Hold split, enter the "up" split frequency (up 1,
>up 5, etc.) and the seconnd VFO is there. No counting or adding.
>

"Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup split" - is an
option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost twenty
years.

If this option was available and selected, then holding SPLIT would automate
the following sequence which presently has to be done manually:

1. Double-tap A>B (reset VFO B, and sub-rx if present, to a known state)

2. Hold SPLIT.

3. Tune VFO B away from VFO A by a selected amount (+/- in 1kHz steps,
either by pre-selection or 'on the fly' - but the latter would require
extensive error trapping).

4. Turn sub-rx on (if it wasn't already on).

5. Disable TX on VFO A frequency until SPLIT is canceled (error trapping for
the A/B, REV and A>B buttons).

At present this whole sequence relies on the operator doing all the right
things, and then continuing not to do any wrong things. Errors are punished
by major embarrassment (literally, world-class).

Nevertheless, this function should only be an OPTION. It will not be needed
by anyone who never works a pileup, is never in a hurry and/or never makes a
mistake.

--

73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Feature request

In reply to this post by gm3sek

I have to disagree ... quick split would cause too may
other problems like losing the frequency if one has
already set VFO B (subreciever) to the desired place.

Except for actions explicitly designed to change frequency
(tune the VFO, change band, recall a memory, etc.), the user
interface should never change the frequency and it should
never change the frequency of the "other" VFO.

Any "Quick split" function should require an explicit
input sequence ... perhaps "Freq Enter, Split" or "XIT,
set the offset, Split" ... but the current Split
function should not be overloaded with "quick split."

Even if "Quick Split" were a menu option for "Split,"
the time to through the menu to change the function
would be greater than the current multiple keystroke
method of setting a specific split. Since not every
"split" is the same (5 to 25 KHz on phone vs. 1 to 5
on CW in most cases) is useful only on one mode and
only if the preset value happens to match the other
station's offset.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
> White GM3SEK
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:28 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature request
>
>
> W0FK wrote:
> >
> >Having a "quick split" feature would be great! My IC-7800
> has that, and
> >I miss it on the K3. Hold split, enter the "up" split
> frequency (up 1,
> >up 5, etc.) and the seconnd VFO is there. No counting or adding.
> >
>
> "Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup
> split" - is
> an option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost
> twenty years.
>
> If this option was available and selected, then holding SPLIT would
> automate the following sequence which presently has to be
> done manually:
>
> 1. Double-tap A>B (reset VFO B, and sub-rx if present, to a
> known state)
>
> 2. Hold SPLIT.
>
> 3. Tune VFO B away from VFO A by a selected amount (+/- in
> 1kHz steps,
> either by pre-selection or 'on the fly' - but the latter
> would require
> extensive error trapping).
>
> 4. Turn sub-rx on (if it wasn't already on).
>
> 5. Disable TX on VFO A frequency until SPLIT is canceled
> (error trapping
> for the A/B, REV and A>B buttons).
>
> At present this whole sequence relies on the operator doing all the
> right things, and then continuing not to do any wrong things. Errors
> are punished by major embarrassment (literally, world-class).
>
> Nevertheless, this function should only be an OPTION. It will not be
> needed by anyone who never works a pileup, is never in a hurry and/or
> never makes a mistake.
>
>
>
> --
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Jim Brassell K4ZMV

Re: Feature request

I've got to go along with Joe on this. The way I do split on an FT2000 now
and all the radios I've used in the past is to set VFO B to VFO A's
frequency (the DX frequency), select SPLIT, put VFO B's receiver in either
my left or right ear, tune VFO B to the last guy the DX worked, and start my
calling there. I truly don't understand the advantage of an automatic
split. If you are not transmitting where the DX is listening, you will be a
long time working him. And what if he is down 5, not up 1?

73,

Jim, K4ZMV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Ian White GM3SEK'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature request

>
> I have to disagree ... quick split would cause too may
> other problems like losing the frequency if one has
> already set VFO B (subreciever) to the desired place.
>
> Except for actions explicitly designed to change frequency
> (tune the VFO, change band, recall a memory, etc.), the user
> interface should never change the frequency and it should
> never change the frequency of the "other" VFO.
>
> Any "Quick split" function should require an explicit
> input sequence ... perhaps "Freq Enter, Split" or "XIT,
> set the offset, Split" ... but the current Split
> function should not be overloaded with "quick split."
>
> Even if "Quick Split" were a menu option for "Split,"
> the time to through the menu to change the function
> would be greater than the current multiple keystroke
> method of setting a specific split. Since not every
> "split" is the same (5 to 25 KHz on phone vs. 1 to 5
> on CW in most cases) is useful only on one mode and
> only if the preset value happens to match the other
> station's offset.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
>> White GM3SEK
>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:28 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature request
>>
>>
>> W0FK wrote:
>> >
>> >Having a "quick split" feature would be great! My IC-7800
>> has that, and
>> >I miss it on the K3. Hold split, enter the "up" split
>> frequency (up 1,
>> >up 5, etc.) and the seconnd VFO is there. No counting or adding.
>> >
>>
>> "Quick split" - otherwise known as "auto split" or "pileup
>> split" - is
>> an option that has been available in serious transceivers for almost
>> twenty years.
>>
>> If this option was available and selected, then holding SPLIT would
>> automate the following sequence which presently has to be
>> done manually:
>>
>> 1. Double-tap A>B (reset VFO B, and sub-rx if present, to a
>> known state)
>>
>> 2. Hold SPLIT.
>>
>> 3. Tune VFO B away from VFO A by a selected amount (+/- in
>> 1kHz steps,
>> either by pre-selection or 'on the fly' - but the latter
>> would require
>> extensive error trapping).
>>
>> 4. Turn sub-rx on (if it wasn't already on).
>>
>> 5. Disable TX on VFO A frequency until SPLIT is canceled
>> (error trapping
>> for the A/B, REV and A>B buttons).
>>
>> At present this whole sequence relies on the operator doing all the
>> right things, and then continuing not to do any wrong things. Errors
>> are punished by major embarrassment (literally, world-class).
>>
>> Nevertheless, this function should only be an OPTION. It will not be
>> needed by anyone who never works a pileup, is never in a hurry and/or
>> never makes a mistake.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
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Ken Kopp-3

K3: "Qick Split"

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a
fixed number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This
is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.

If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a
need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every
transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do
people actually simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?

K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN.
I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.

My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
worked" station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button
to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?

I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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David Gilbert

Re: K3: "Quick Split"

I fully agree. I also cannot fathom the need for a quick split of a
fixed amount. Many DX stations say "up five" and then listen everywhere
EXCEPT up five in order to more easily pick off other callers. In the
great majority of cases, if the pileup is large enough (or conditions
weak enough) to warrant split operation, the DX is not going to be
listening on discrete frequencies and they aren't going to stay in one
place.

I'd support having fixed split in ALL rigs, not just the K3, simply to
reduce the competition for those of us willing to tune around to
discover the DX station's listening habits.

But to answer your question .... yes, lots of people simply go up five
and blindly call. Really.

73,
Dave AB7E

Ken Kopp wrote:

> Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a
> fixed number of kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This
> is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for.
>
> If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a
> need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every
> transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do
> people actually simply go "up five" and blindly call? Really?
>
> K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN.
> I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when
> operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.
>
> My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A
> quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last
> worked" station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button
> to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler?
>
> I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> [hidden email]
>
>

w0mu

Re: K3: "Qick Split"

In reply to this post by Ken Kopp-3

Quick split is a single button that puts the radio in split and the other
vfo split x number of KC's away. It just saves some button pushing.
Obviously if the station is working a weird split then you still have to
move the b vfo.

It sets the B vfo to the same mode moves it up 5 or 10. Sets the transmit to
B etc.

I have no clue how the 7800 did it as I never owned one.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ken Kopp
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:49 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: "Qick Split"

Doesn't "Quick Split" assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of
kHz away from "his" TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this
is what's is being lobbied for.

If the DX is actually an exact "5 kHz" up, there will still be a need to
change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or
should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go "up
five" and blindly call? Really?

K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN.
I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating
from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW.

My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of
A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the "last worked" station in the
pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B
VFO. How could this be simpler?

I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something ....

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: Feature request

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The B vfo is not locked. You can still move it.

Having the 2nd receiver in the K3 makes it easier.

Believe it or not many users do not have the 2nd receiver.

I rarely ever use it for CW. Since the splits are normally just a few KC's.
I use XIT and RIT since I can't split A and B in my headphones, yet.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
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I've got to go along with Joe on this. The way I do split on an FT2000 now
and all the radios I've used in the past is to set VFO B to VFO A's
frequency (the DX frequency), select SPLIT, put VFO B's receiver in either
my left or right ear, tune VFO B to the last guy the DX worked, and start my
calling there. I truly don't understand the advantage of an automatic
split. If you are not transmitting where the DX is listening, you will be a
long time working him. And what if he is down 5, not up 1?

73,

Jim, K4ZMV

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature request

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Re: Feature request

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Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

This shows why everything needs to be an OPTION - there are so many
different operating styles.

The industry-standard "quick split" function is designed for people
whose operating style is to tune the DX station on VFO A, and then want
a quick way to set the up the rig to call on a split frequency using VFO
B (and the sub-rx if available).

Quick split has become an industry standard because significant numbers
of users do find it valuable, for two major reasons:

1. Speed
2. Reducing the risk of errors - above all, avoiding the cardinal sin of
transmitting on the DX frequency.

Users of quick split know all about its disadvantages too. Obviously,
quick split will not be suitable for all circumstances (it would be
great to have the option to make it a PF toggle). Obviously, any
existing VFO B frequency will be lost. Also any pre-configured split can
only be an individual operator's best guess, so it needs to be
configurable; but *any* offset is better than zero - see point 2 above.

Even people who value quick split will only use it when the advantages
override those disadvantages. They are also aware of others who would
not like this function, wouldn't need it, or simply can't see how any
sane person could ask for such a thing. That's fine, because it is being
requested as an *option*. If Elecraft does decide to introduce it, there
would be no adverse impact on anyone who doesn't wish to enable it.

It may also be well to remember that the *only* purpose of discussion
about feature requests is to set out the issues for Elecraft to
consider. The rest is up to Elecraft.

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Re: Feature request

Options yes, absolutely.

I have no desire to force my operating style on anyone and don't want anyone
else's style forced on me.

"A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may
never get over." Ben Franklin
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Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:34 PM
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Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
>I have to disagree ... quick split would cause too may other problems
>like losing the frequency if one has already set VFO B (subreciever) to
>the desired place.
>
>Except for actions explicitly designed to change frequency (tune the
>VFO, change band, recall a memory, etc.), the user interface should
>never change the frequency and it should never change the frequency of
>the "other" VFO.
>

This shows why everything needs to be an OPTION - there are so many
different operating styles.

The industry-standard "quick split" function is designed for people whose
operating style is to tune the DX station on VFO A, and then want a quick
way to set the up the rig to call on a split frequency using VFO B (and the
sub-rx if available).

Quick split has become an industry standard because significant numbers of
users do find it valuable, for two major reasons:

1. Speed
2. Reducing the risk of errors - above all, avoiding the cardinal sin of
transmitting on the DX frequency.

Users of quick split know all about its disadvantages too. Obviously, quick
split will not be suitable for all circumstances (it would be great to have
the option to make it a PF toggle). Obviously, any existing VFO B frequency
will be lost. Also any pre-configured split can only be an individual
operator's best guess, so it needs to be configurable; but *any* offset is
better than zero - see point 2 above.

Even people who value quick split will only use it when the advantages
override those disadvantages. They are also aware of others who would not
like this function, wouldn't need it, or simply can't see how any sane
person could ask for such a thing. That's fine, because it is being
requested as an *option*. If Elecraft does decide to introduce it, there
would be no adverse impact on anyone who doesn't wish to enable it.

It may also be well to remember that the *only* purpose of discussion about
feature requests is to set out the issues for Elecraft to consider. The rest
is up to Elecraft.

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73 from Ian GM3SEK
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K3 pet feature requests

I certainly don't envy Wayne and Eric as they evaluate
the relative validity of each of our many and varied ideas.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: K3 pet feature requests

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It gives us an excuse to meet for lunch once a week :)

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Ken Kopp wrote:

> I certainly don't envy Wayne and Eric as they evaluate
> the relative validity of each of our many and varied ideas.
>
> 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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