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Jerry Moore

I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Jerry,

I don't regret for one minute any of my Elecraft purchases. I bought my
K3/P3 used several years ago, then added the KAT500 and KPA500 later as
resources allowed. I also had a W2 wattmeter for several years, which I sold
after it became extraneous to my needs. I also use the T1 QRP tuner with my
FT-817 when I operate portable.

I've been very happy with all the Elecraft gear I own.

73 de,

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K3/K3S purchase?

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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James Rogers

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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62 years in amateur radio and I have had from homebrew to Collins and
in my very humble opinion I do not think there is a better investment
than the Elecraft line of products. I own aK2, a K-Line (K3, P3, KPA500,
and KAT500) and this K3 happens to be my second one. Will I be upgrading
to a K3s, probably not, but the Huntsville Hamfest is coming up and you
never can tell what happens at a hamfest! I most certainly will
carefully evaluate the available upgrades to see what advantages they
may offer to my modes of operation which centers principally around weak
signal work on HF and VHF.

73s Jim, W4ATK
Celebrating 62 years in amateur radio

On 8/3/2015 7:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:

> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer
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Phil Anderson

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Jerry

I have none. I really like my K3, P3 with 100W amp. I particularly like
the second RX that I added...........along with the AUX antenna port.
With these I can operate diversity with my homebrew beverage. I really
like the APF (audio peaking filter) which works as advertised,
particularly with the Beverage attached to the second RX. Worked great
for the NAQP this past weekend.

uncle Phil, W0XI

Shall I post my Beverage info on my website?

> Jerry Moore <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Monday, August 03, 2015 7:59 AM
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio.
> It's not
> as flashy as some.
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>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
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Dave-7

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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You can answer the question yourself by browsing the classified 'For
Sale' columns on various web sites. Check QRZ, eHam, eBay, etc. See
how many you can find that were purchased less than 6 months ago.

There has been somewhere around 10,000 K3's and K3S sold. Only a few
pop up quickly in the classified.

There are obviously going to be a few who buy any product and then
decide it is not for them.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 8/3/15 7:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:

NK7Z

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Jerry,

I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
bit!

The K3 is a much more versatile rig. Not as pretty as the old Pro III,
(not as large either, which is a plus), but I don't really care about
pretty, I care about performance, and I have an entire new layer of
stations I hear now, that I did not with the Pro III...

Also, there are so many ways to configure the radio you will be able to
configure it for what ever your needs are... Here is a few examples...

The K3 allows for setting the TUNE output level. I have an auto tuner.
That tuner needs less than 100 watts to trigger autotune. I have an
ALS-1306 amp, I set the TUNE level on the K3 to be 3 watts. That 3
watts drives the tuner via the ALS-1306 Amp with enough power from the
ALS-1306 to force the tuner into retune mode if above 1.7:1. Thus I get
the equivalent of a tuner connected to the radio TUNE button, and do so
without any extra cables... Single button tuning of the AMP, and the
tuner, all in under 10 seconds.

Most settings are per band, so I configure things, for each band, and
mode, and when I return the configurations return for each band/mode...

I thought the P3 was just a frill, it is not... I removed it for a bit
to test some radio control hardware I am working on, and almost lost my
mind without it, I did not have a picture of the band in my head anymore
without the P3...

So, no, I never looked back after selling the Pro III. Prior to the
change over for me, I sat both rigs on the desk, and A/B compared them
for a week, using the exact same antennas, before I sold the Pro III, I
had expected to test for a month to make my decision, it took only a
week to decide.

I was ready and willing to sell the K3 if it was not significantly
better, I have the K3, and not the Icom now!

I have a ham 700 feet away from me, and when he runs his K3 and his KW
Henry amp, I can't tell he is on if I am 20 KHz away... The PRO III
desensed on his signal, across the entire band, if he was on SSB, and I
wan on CW, I could see, and hear it... So again, I am so very happy I
have the K3 I would never go back. If you want to see exactly how wide
the is looking at at 2 watts from 700 feet away see:

http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecraft-k3-new-synthesizer/

I did a compare of the old and new Synthesizers, and as an aside, it
will show you just how tight the K3 really is in strong signal
conditions.

I have four hams within a half mile of me. I really can't tell if they
are on, unless I get very close in frequency, (like under 10 KHz.), or
see them on the P3.

My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
within my passband, my ears get nailed big time... There needs to be an
audio limiter on my rig...

Macro programming is nice, you can pretty much do anything you want with
the rig via Macros... I have macros that totally set up my rig based on
the mode I select via software. If I select RTTY, using MixW, the
macros fires for MODE START, and the radio is switched into DATA/RTTY
mode, transmit levels levels set, monitor levels set, etc, all
automatic. I almost never touch the radio now, but to tune, or adjust
RF/Audio levels. When I switch to PSK the same thing happens only for
PSK. So nope, I am happy as can be with the rig... Have fun, I am with
my K3!

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Thanks and 73's,
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On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0400, Jerry Moore wrote:

Hisashi T Fujinaka

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Yes. When I pushed the button on the web site, I thought, "What have I
done?" When I got everything set up and pushed the button on the radio,
I thought, "Oh yeah, this is what I've done!"

As a guy who lives in the city with a suboptimal antenna, I still have a
great time except on 20M. But then again I still do OK on 20M.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015, Jerry Moore wrote:

> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.

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Matt Zilmer-3

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Dave,

Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM. This function will
limit audio out when AGC is disabled. I run mine around 20.

It will save your hearing!

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Jerry,
>
>I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
>bit!
<snip>
>My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
>section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
>within my passband, my ears get nailed big time... There needs to be an
>audio limiter on my rig...
>
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein

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NK7Z

Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Done, and thanks!
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Thanks and 73's,
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www.nk7z.net

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On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:37 -0700, Matt Zilmer wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM. This function will
> limit audio out when AGC is disabled. I run mine around 20.
>
> It will save your hearing!
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA

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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.

From: Jerry Moore <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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Phil Wheeler-2

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Great radio and well worth the $$. My only regret
is that I don't use it enough :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/3/15 5:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer

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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Let me just add my 'Amen' to Dave's comments.

I went from an IC-756 Pro III to a K3 in 2012 and now run the full K-Line.

For me, the K3 is the best rig I've run in my 47 years on the air, and my only regret is that I didn't get a K3 sooner.

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:14 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
> bit!
>
> The K3 is a much more versatile rig. Not as pretty as the old Pro III,
> (not as large either, which is a plus), but I don't really care about
> pretty, I care about performance, and I have an entire new layer of
> stations I hear now, that I did not with the Pro III...
>
> Also, there are so many ways to configure the radio you will be able to
> configure it for what ever your needs are... Here is a few examples...
>
> The K3 allows for setting the TUNE output level. I have an auto tuner.
> That tuner needs less than 100 watts to trigger autotune. I have an
> ALS-1306 amp, I set the TUNE level on the K3 to be 3 watts. That 3
> watts drives the tuner via the ALS-1306 Amp with enough power from the
> ALS-1306 to force the tuner into retune mode if above 1.7:1. Thus I get
> the equivalent of a tuner connected to the radio TUNE button, and do so
> without any extra cables... Single button tuning of the AMP, and the
> tuner, all in under 10 seconds.
>
> Most settings are per band, so I configure things, for each band, and
> mode, and when I return the configurations return for each band/mode...
>
> I thought the P3 was just a frill, it is not... I removed it for a bit
> to test some radio control hardware I am working on, and almost lost my
> mind without it, I did not have a picture of the band in my head anymore
> without the P3...
>
> So, no, I never looked back after selling the Pro III. Prior to the
> change over for me, I sat both rigs on the desk, and A/B compared them
> for a week, using the exact same antennas, before I sold the Pro III, I
> had expected to test for a month to make my decision, it took only a
> week to decide.
>
> I was ready and willing to sell the K3 if it was not significantly
> better, I have the K3, and not the Icom now!
>
> I have a ham 700 feet away from me, and when he runs his K3 and his KW
> Henry amp, I can't tell he is on if I am 20 KHz away... The PRO III
> desensed on his signal, across the entire band, if he was on SSB, and I
> wan on CW, I could see, and hear it... So again, I am so very happy I
> have the K3 I would never go back. If you want to see exactly how wide
> the is looking at at 2 watts from 700 feet away see:
>
> http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecraft-k3-new-synthesizer/
>
> I did a compare of the old and new Synthesizers, and as an aside, it
> will show you just how tight the K3 really is in strong signal
> conditions.
>
> I have four hams within a half mile of me. I really can't tell if they
> are on, unless I get very close in frequency, (like under 10 KHz.), or
> see them on the P3.
>
> My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
> section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
> within my passband, my ears get nailed big time... There needs to be an
> audio limiter on my rig...
>
> Macro programming is nice, you can pretty much do anything you want with
> the rig via Macros... I have macros that totally set up my rig based on
> the mode I select via software. If I select RTTY, using MixW, the
> macros fires for MODE START, and the radio is switched into DATA/RTTY
> mode, transmit levels levels set, monitor levels set, etc, all
> automatic. I almost never touch the radio now, but to tune, or adjust
> RF/Audio levels. When I switch to PSK the same thing happens only for
> PSK. So nope, I am happy as can be with the rig... Have fun, I am with
> my K3!
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
>
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>> On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0400, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
>> as flashy as some.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>>
>> Jer
>>
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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My only regret is that I didn’t buy two K3 transceivers.

73,

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
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> On Aug 3, 2015, at 05:59, Jerry Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer
>
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Absolutely no regrets here!

I have two friends and fellow hams that are often chasing the same DX
stations that I am in split CW pileups. One is three miles away and the
other, with a super station, is about 10 miles away. My primary radio
before purchasing my first K3 in 2011 was an FT-1000. My friends
signals, while outside of the pass band of the FT-1000's CW filter,
would pound the FT-1000's AGC and make it difficult to copy the DX
station we were chasing, especially on the low bands where we are all
using omnidirectional antennas. Before ordering my K3, I test drove an
IC-7800 for 40 days and the effect on the AGC was diminished, but still
quite noticeable when we were in a pileup together. Now, with a 400 Hz
filter in my K3, the only way I know we are in a pileup together is when
I see them on the P3. I like the K3 so much that I bought a second one
for Field Day and other portable events so that I don't have to tear
apart my home station every time I want to operate portable with a K3.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

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This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig.

A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.

>> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.
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No regrets or buyers remorse here at all Jerry!
Although the "box" is not flashy as some with all the outboard "candy", it's what's under the hood that counts, and the reputation of Elecraft support, which has not been disappointing. I thought long and hard before making my purchase, all the way back when the K3 was first introduced. In a way I'm very glad I waited, as the K3S is a result of many, many improvements from operator suggestions and some beta testing. As I compared the "under the hood" capability and flexibility for future expansion with other rigs, less expensive (FTDx 3000, TS590SG), and more expensive (FTDx 5000, TS990s), the K3S kept winning, for "my operating style".
I personally like the aesthetics and compact appearance of the K3/K3S platform.

I am a casual contester who's scores are to support a larger club cause. My more serious enjoyment is DXing, CW and digital, and following Dxpeditions. Any tool that will make these areas of ham radio more enjoyable for me is worth the price. For me, this the first new radio in 15 years, so I researched what I thought was going to be the ultimate tool that would make my ham experience the most enjoyable. So far the K3S has not disappointed!

My last rig, which I just sold to my son, KC9ETU, was a PROIII. I bought that used back in late 2008, which was to replace a Kenwood TS570s and TS2000 (last 2 new radios). I like to use the comparison that the K3S is in a world of it's own over the PROIII, like the PROIII was to the two Kenwood's.

There are probably some functions I will never get to, to using on the K3S, but the ones I'm using have certainly been huge improvements to what I have been playing with in the past.

I went with the 100 watt K3S with auto tuner and P3. For me and my style of operating, I did not see the need for the dual receiver, "at this time". The P3 lets me see what's going on, on the band. I tried the dual receive function in the PROIII years ago, and I just preferred the band scope instead!  I went with the 6Khz, 2.7Khz, 500Hz and 250Hz roofing filters. Very happy camper!

73 Gene N9TF

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Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Same here Mike, best rig I have ever owned, and well worth the cost.
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On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0700, Mike Flowers wrote:
> Let me just add my 'Amen' to Dave's comments.
>
> I went from an IC-756 Pro III to a K3 in 2012 and now run the full K-Line.
>
> For me, the K3 is the best rig I've run in my 47 years on the air, and my only regret is that I didn't get a K3 sooner.
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> -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"
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Re: I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

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Sorry for the bandwidth, but I just had to chime in.

Bought my K3 in 2008. Was astonished at it's performance.

Bought my IC-7600 in 2010. Boy, what a beauty of a radio that ICOM is.
Beauty on the outside; much less stellar on the inside.

I decided I'd keep the ICOM as my backup rig and eventual SO2R "second"
radio until something better (or a K4) came along. Most of the past 5
years it has collected dust because the performance is lacking in
comparison to the K3. True A/B switching proved that early on. It was
relegated to "that beautiful radio for non-hams to see" status.

Then the K3S comes along and I order one at Dayton. I have done and
continue to drink the Elecraft cool-aid. No other manufacturer has
given the vast majority of the ham community what they want. It's all
about performance; It's what's inside that counts.

I have a pristine IC-7600 for sale if anyone is interested.

73,
Dan

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On 8/3/2015 11:36 AM, Al Lorona wrote:
> This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig.
>
> A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.
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How true this is. I could tell you stories, but nothing good will come
of it.

Dick,n0ce

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I personally don't like that sculpted look, I like the No nonsense look of the K3.Some of the flashy ones are downright goofy looking (those radios look like toys).

That being said. I have no regrets with the K3, it's a nice radio and does what I need it to do.

I've spent a lot more with Elecraft than I originally planned, much of that is due to their service after the sale.
I really don't mind spending money with a company knowing they will stand behind their product.

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This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig.

A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.

>> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.
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