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Icom IC-7300

Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300
<http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be
available by the end of the year. A completely software-defined
radio. Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its
implications.

Doug -- K0DXV
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Buddy Brannan

Re: Icom IC-7300

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300 <http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be available by the end of the year. A completely software-defined radio. Looks like a real game-changer.
> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

Gods, I sure hope not! Sounds like a bloody nightmare to me. Guess the blind guys won't be buying Icoms. Change for change's sake if you ask me, which you didn't. *Grumble grumble gripe gritch* And get off my lawn.
>
> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its implications.

Yeah, I hope so too. I then hope that Elecraft will say "Screw all this touch screen nonsense". I mean, unless they plan to write an eyes-free interface for it. Which I'm sure Icom has not. It's sure gonna suck if something breaks that pretty touch screen sometime. How about having tactile controls and voice output so that drivers who put these things in their mobile stations can watch where they're aiming their cars instead of looking at their radios? Just a thought, but who listens to me?

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Chester Alderman

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I certainly hope NOT! What the heck does 'touch screen' have to do with xcvr
performance? Icom is not going to get off of that up conversion receiver
which removes the possibility to have narrow bandwidth roofing filters. I'm
sure there will be a lot of folks that will jump on to the 'touch screen'
display just like they did when Microsoft tried to push that onto their
users, and we know what a big failure that was!

Tom - W4BQF

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Subject: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300
<http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be
available by the end of the year. A completely software-defined
radio. Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its
implications.

Doug -- K0DXV
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Icom IC-7300

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The "King of SDR" computer driven radios is coming out with a box with
knobs. Perhaps lesson learned that everyone does not like those touch
sensitive, menu driven, color display radios. Besides, why rely on a
computer to run your transceiver when it can be done easily as a
standalone device when no computer is available or desired.
I have tried tuning with a mouse wheel and clicking on a display with
several rig software applications, and I think tuning with a real knob
is a lot more convenient and satisfying to me.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/2/2015 7:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

> Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300
> <http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to
> be available by the end of the year. A completely software-defined
> radio. Looks like a real game-changer.
> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting
> to touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.
>
> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its
> implications.
>

Gary Gregory-2

Re: Icom IC-7300

Personally, I prefer to use my hand, meaning more than one finger when operating over my index finger on a mouse 🐭
Call me whatever but nothing is going to remove my K3 from me other than death 💀

Even then my cold stiff fingers will need prying from the K3

Eye candy 🍬 and pretty touchy feely thingies will not get me more contacts.

Oh well, call it progress I guess, but I will stick with my bullet proof K3, it just works.

Gary

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The "King of SDR" computer driven radios is coming out with a box with
knobs. Perhaps lesson learned that everyone does not like those touch
sensitive, menu driven, color display radios. Besides, why rely on a
computer to run your transceiver when it can be done easily as a
standalone device when no computer is available or desired.
I have tried tuning with a mouse wheel and clicking on a display with
several rig software applications, and I think tuning with a real knob
is a lot more convenient and satisfying to me.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Tony Estep

Re: Icom IC-7300

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I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
to me, and some others might feel the same.

Tony KT0NY
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Ken Alexander-2

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There's a button right on the front panel that says SPLIT.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

On 2015-09-02 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

> I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
> can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
> then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
> to me, and some others might feel the same.
>
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Glen Torr-2

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Hi All,
I liked the look of the 7300 and direct RF sampling is the future. It
appears to have a conventional user interface all be it includes a color
touch sceeen.
Cheers,
Glen

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charlie carroll

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Admittedly, I'm a serious contester. Sit in front of a radio for 24,
36, 44.5 hrs (an aging contester) and you will soon see that the bells
and whistles, flashy lights, and other gizmos generally mean diddly.
For me, keeping my fingers as near to the keyboard as possible is one of
those little things that contributes to the score. Think about how much
effort is wasted messing with a mouse and then getting your fingers back
to proper keys. Give me a few simple knobs and a keyboard and I'm happy
and efficient. I'm happy that Elecraft has put the horsepower in the
radio and not gone overboard with the flashy light stuff.

Is the tide turning? Not from my perspective.

73 charlie, k1xx

And no, I don't want to go back to paper logging!

On 9/2/2015 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Icom IC-7300

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Cute, but likely not my cup of tea.

Plus, zero info on performance!

73, Phil W7OX

On 9/2/15 4:51 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

> Icom recently released news about the upcoming
> IC-7300
> <http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx>
> to be available by the end of the year. A
> completely software-defined radio. Looks like a
> real game-changer.
> While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the
> tide is slowly shifting to touch sensitive,
> menu-driven, color displays.
>
> I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this
> and considering its implications.
>
>
> Doug -- K0DXV

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: Icom IC-7300

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Nothing. It's just that every time Elecraft adds a cool new feature,
they have to find a way to get it onto a front panel button.

If the buttons are drawn on the screen, they can be changed.

Not saying I'm a fan, just that it's an attractive problem for some folks.

Not sure how that works for visually impaired users.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/2/2015 5:21 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> I certainly hope NOT! What the heck does 'touch screen' have to do with xcvr
> performance?

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Tony Estep

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Doesn't mean a thing. You need 2 tuning knobs and independent receivers.
On Sep 2, 2015 8:05 PM, "Ken Alexander" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There's a button right on the front panel that says SPLIT.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-02 8:48 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>
>> I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
>> can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
>> then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
>> to me, and some others might feel the same.
>>
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+1000

And does this rig have the CAT fix for split?

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Tony Estep <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:09/02/2015 5:48 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 </div><div>
</div>I note that it has only one tuning knob, which in turn probably means you
can't do the standard dx-split operating technique. If that's the case,
then no matter what fancy gizmos it may boast, it would be of no interest
to me, and some others might feel the same.

Tony KT0NY
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Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2

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The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched.

The nice thing about the ic7300 is that it uses direct RF sampling,
which is probably the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if the
touchscreen will add real value for operating. I'll have to try.

As I wrote before, I expect that the K4 will be a direct RF sampling
device, high performance, just as easy and flexible to use as a loaded
K3/P3, and all the features.

73
Arie PA3A

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Glen Torr-2

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Hi Wayne,
Thank you for the thoughtful comments on the IC7300.
I am spending some of my retirement in radio astronomy where direct RF
sampling is invading. Radio astronomy is very different from most
communications in that the wider the bandwidth the better.
The only threat to my K3 is the KX3 and amplifier, we spend a lot of time
in the bush with our camper trailer and KX3 plus KXPA 100.
Thanks so much, I am rusted on to Elecraft.
Kind Regards,
Glen VK1FB
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I sure hope Elecraft Never goes to touch screens.
It would be a game changer alright, I would not buy it.

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Subject: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

Icom recently released news about the upcoming IC-7300
<http://icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx> to be
available by the end of the year. A completely software-defined
radio. Looks like a real game-changer.
While the K3S is a nice upgrade, I think the tide is slowly shifting to
touch sensitive, menu-driven, color displays.

I certainly hope the Elecraft is looking at this and considering its
implications.

Doug -- K0DXV
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John Fritze

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While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can wipe
it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.

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Chris Hallinan

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I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And then
I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I bet
I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)

-Chris
K1AY

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> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can wipe
> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
> solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>
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Jerry Moore

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Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon to be K3S owner".
1. Simple and efficient interface was part of my decision.
2. Although the rig lacks band switches, it has function buttons that
support limited macro's to set band/mode/other which fits 99.99% needs for
anyone who will RTFM and utilize it.
3. While integrating the P3 would be nice it adds $700 to an already premium
feature /cost rig. I'm purchasing incrementally so I'd find it unacceptable
to have a large blank space on my radio if /until I decided to purchase the
P3.
4. My background is Electronics/Computers and I currently work as a Systems
Analyst ($4 dollar way of saying really high level support engineer).
"Modern" isn't always better in my view. There are MANY more modern looking
rigs that don't perform at the level of the K3S in my opinion. I'd rather
put $4 into performance, support, and upgradability, than $2 into
pretty/modern looking. The point being the more complex the system the more
likely to fail and higher expense.

Here's a crazy idea if you want modern with touch screen. Get a
tablet(windows) with rig control software. That will give you the bleeding
edge technology with full touch screen control.

Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to
get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable.

Not intentionally bashing anyone. Just my $0.02.

Jer

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I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.

Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.

Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And then I
wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I bet I'm
not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)

-Chris
K1AY

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> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my
> main complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I
> can wipe it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an
> Ipad and a Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always
> the best solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun
> or incandescent light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full
of smudges.

>
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alsopb

Re: Icom IC-7300

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It is may be time to rethink the display. The functionality added
through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is pretty
obscure (e.g. flashing decimal point is supposed to mean something)

The difficulty may be display size constraints. Lacking a bigger
display, it would mean even smaller letters et al. That isn't a good
idea. Given the creativity of Elecraft engineers, perhaps the current
display size could still work.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 9/3/2015 13:57 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

> I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons
> John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen
> on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion
> to the buttons across the bottom of the P3.
>
> Hey, we all bought into the Elecraft performance story, and voted with our
> dollars. But who wouldn't want a more modern look and feel, which by
> definition means a color graphics screen. That sentiment has been echoed
> before on this list, and I'm a newbie here, less than a year.
>
> Here's a crazy idea: Take the P3 display and put it into the K3. And then
> I wouldn't have to purchase a separate unit just for a panadapter. I bet
> I'm not alone when I say my operating space has much competition for prime
> desktop real estate!!! The idea of a separate standalone panadapter is
> pretty "old school" ;) What modern high performance rig doesn't have one
> built in? Don't bash me on that, I voted with my $$$, I'm a proud K3/P3
> owner. But I can have a wish list, can't I? ;)
>
> -Chris
> K1AY
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, John Fritze <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main
>> complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can wipe
>> it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a
>> Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best
>> solution. I like my screens clear and clean because if sun or incandescent
>> light hits at an angle it is difficult to read when full of smudges.
>>
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