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Robert Nobis - N7RJN

JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 or K3X

I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.

73,

Bob - N7RJN

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 or K3X

Bob,

Contact [hidden email] to find out how to obtain the program to
make those changes (and also how to remove it after you return).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2014 8:32 AM, Robert Nobis wrote:

> I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
> for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
> and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
> Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
> the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob - N7RJN
>
>
>
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Seiji Okumura

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Robert Nobis - N7RJN

K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm

Oku / JK1KSB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Nobis" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
orK3X

>I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
> for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
> and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
> Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
> the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob - N7RJN
>
>
>
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Seiji Okumura

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Robert Nobis - N7RJN

>I am planning a trip to Kagoshima, Japan in a few months and am applying
> for a reciprocal license to operate in Japan. Does anyone know if the K3
> and/or K3X have JARD (The Japan Amateur Radio Development Association)
> Technical Standard Certification Number? This is required for operation of
> the rig in Japan when operating under a reciprocal license.
>
> 73,
>
>
> Bob - N7RJN
>
>
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Seiji Okumura

On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:
> K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
> See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm

And why do they not have such certification?

73, Jim K9YC
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Seiji Okumura

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

> And why do they not have such certification?

Probably I think that this is because Japanese importer and Elecraft do not
apply to JARD for the examination with a certificate of K3.

Oku　JK1KSB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
orK3X

> On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:
>> K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
>> See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm
>
> And why do they not have such certification?
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Seiji Okumura

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

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Robert Nobis - N7RJN

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

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Jim,

I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient
enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the
certification for the K3 and KX3.

Bob - N7RJN

On 1/6/14, 10:37 PM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:
>> K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
>> See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm
>
>And why do they not have such certification?
>
>73, Jim K9YC
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Doug Turnbull

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

Friends,
These approvals: CE, UL, FCC and JARD all cost money to obtain. There
is some redundancy between them and type approvals can be used as barriers
to free trade. Standards are needed but when each nation has its own then
it is expensive and time consuming for a small manufacturer to break into
new markets. I would prefer the Elecraft engineers worked on product
improvement rather than yet another type approval.

73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Nobis
Sent: 07 January 2014 08:51
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
orK3X

Jim,

I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient
enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the
certification for the K3 and KX3.

Bob - N7RJN

On 1/6/14, 10:37 PM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:
>> K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
>> See http://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm
>
>And why do they not have such certification?
>
>73, Jim K9YC
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"Jörg Hochheimer, DL6ZBN"

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

Seiji Okumura

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Robert Nobis - N7RJN

Bob-san,

Of course I think so, too.hi.

Oku　JK1KSB

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Nobis" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
orK3X

> Jim,
>
> I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient
> enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the
> certification for the K3 and KX3.
>
> Bob - N7RJN

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Jim Brown-10

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

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On 1/8/2014 3:09 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> I assume it requires a business decision.

Actually, I was looking for a factual answer, not a guess. Having been
alive for 73 years and working in business for the last 40 or so, I can
guess as well as the next man. :) And yes, I smell restraint of trade.

73, Jim K9YC
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Jun Susaki

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Seiji Okumura

To friends coming to Japan with KX3,

A Japanese agent may apply JARD Technical
Standard Certification Number, however,this number is basically assigned to the
equipment with high completeness after critical check.

We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently
revised even now.

JARD can never accept such a moving spec.
machine.

My KX-3 is registered as a homebrew at
JA-FCC.

The number is not assigned to any imported transceiver
so far.

Jun JI1TLL,

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:28:29 +0900
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X
>
> Bob-san,
>
> Of course I think so, too.hi.
>
> Oku　JK1KSB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Nobis" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
> orK3X
>
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient
> > enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the
> > certification for the K3 and KX3.
> >
> > Bob - N7RJN
>
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"Jörg Hochheimer, DL6ZBN"

Fwd: Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by "Jörg Hochheimer, DL6ZBN"

Re-send of my previous message... a nice OM informed me that the
reflector doesn't accept HTML messages, so I'm trying it again with
plain text (hopefully).

Sorry for any inconveniences!

Vy 73 de Joerg, DL6ZBN

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Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number
for K3 orK3X
Datum: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 12:54:21 +0100
Von: "Jörg Hochheimer, DL6ZBN" <[hidden email]>
An: [hidden email]

Well said, Doug.

Just for curiosity reasons: would you need a type certification if you
imported the KX3 (or any other radio) as a kit? Do the authorities make
any difference on that? So maybe that would be a chance to
circumnavigate that cliff if you say you built the radio by yourself...

Vy 73 de Joerg, DL6ZBN

Am 08.01.2014 12:09, schrieb Doug Turnbull:

> Friends,
> These approvals: CE, UL, FCC and JARD all cost money to obtain. There
> is some redundancy between them and type approvals can be used as barriers
> to free trade. Standards are needed but when each nation has its own then
> it is expensive and time consuming for a small manufacturer to break into
> new markets. I would prefer the Elecraft engineers worked on product
> improvement rather than yet another type approval.
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:[hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Nobis
> Sent: 07 January 2014 08:51
> To:[hidden email]
> Cc:[hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3
> orK3X
>
> Jim,
>
> I assume it requires a business decision. There may not be sufficient
> enough customer base in Japan to warrant the cost of Elecraft getting the
> certification for the K3 and KX3.
>
> Bob - N7RJN
>
> On 1/6/14, 10:37 PM, "Jim Brown"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/6/2014 9:01 AM, Seiji Okumura wrote:
>>> K3/K3X does not have Technical Standard Certification Number.
>>> Seehttp://www.jarl.or.jp/English/3_Application/A-3.htm
>> And why do they not have such certification?
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Jim Brown-10

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

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On 1/7/2014 6:53 AM, 須崎純一 wrote:
> JARD can never accept such a moving spec.machine.

Not sure I follow that logic. But they can certify an FT1000MP, which
generates nasty clicks, and a Mark V, which generates nasty clicks. And
a 7600 which generates nasty clicks.

73, Jim K9YC

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David Withers

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

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Pretty standard restraint of trade, similar in other industries. Not much to do, just the way it is in Japan.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 1/7/2014 6:53 AM, 須崎純一 wrote:
>> JARD can never accept such a moving spec.machine.
>
>Not sure I follow that logic. But they can certify an FT1000MP, which
>generates nasty clicks, and a Mark V, which generates nasty clicks. And
>a 7600 which generates nasty clicks.
>
>73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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Robert Nobis - N7RJN

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Jim Brown-10

Jim,

I suspect the issue is that Elecraft simply has not pursued getting the
certification. Possibly the ROI doesn’t justify doing this.

At any rate, there is a procedure for an individual to get a temporary
certification for use while traveling in Japan.

Bob - N7RJN

On 1/7/14, 2:08 PM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Bill Frantz

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Jun Susaki

This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get
continuous product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we
do from Elecraft.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

>We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently
>revised even now.
>
>JARD can never accept such a moving spec.
>machine.

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

That and if your only goal as a company is to make money it doesn't pay
to give away upgrades. If you are going to do an upgrade, make a new
radio with new features and sell it.

If your goal is to produce great stuff, take care of your customers (get
referrals) and make a living, you do it the way Elecraft does.

That's why I have a KX3 and not an FT-817.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/7/2014 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous
> product improvement on our Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft.
>
> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
>
> On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently
>> revised even now.
>>
>> JARD can never accept such a moving spec.
>> machine.
>

Bill Frantz

Re: JARD Technical Standard Certification Number for K3 orK3X

In reply to this post by Seiji Okumura

But Elecraft doesn't have to get a new type approval from the
FCC every time they change the firmware. The post I quoted
(included below) indicates that the Japanese manufacturers need
to get approval from JARD whenever they want to change the
firmware. Having the expense of jumping thru a bureaucratic hoop
would certainly act as a disincentive.

Cheers - Bill

On 1/7/14 at 6:32 PM, [hidden email] (Walter Underwood) wrote:

>Radios in the US need FCC approval, too. I don't think this is all that different. --wunder
>
>On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>This situation might contribute to the reasons we don't get continuous product improvement on our
>Japanese radios the way we do from Elecraft.
>>
>>Cheers - Bill, AE6JV
>>
>>On 1/7/14 at 6:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> We know the firmware of KX-3 is currently
>>> revised even now.
>>> JARD can never accept such a moving spec.
>>> machine.

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