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K3 Dead MCU Load

CX7TT
After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check the website
for upgrade.
This is from the K3 Utility log:

13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient, this takes a
few seconds.
13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:45 Ready
13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version.
Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load.
13:37:42 Ready
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:33 Ready
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:59 Ready
13:49:50 K3 is not responding
13:49:54 K3 is not responding

 I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
reappears...along with flashing TX led.
I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the K3 port (3)
and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
upgrade process.
I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...

Help!
Tom
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Re: K3 Dead MCU Load

Bob Naumann W5OV
Tom,

Use a direect serial port connection or a USB to RS232 connection and it
will pick up right where it left off.

I could not update with my old MicroKeyer either so I hooked up a USB to
RS232 and it updated the radio's firmware without a hitch.

So, take the Microkeyer out when updating firmware to be safe.

73,

Bob W5OV


> After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
> software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check the website
> for upgrade.
> This is from the K3 Utility log:
>
> 13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
> 13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
> 13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient, this takes a
> few seconds.
> 13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
> Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
> 13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
> 13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
> 13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
> 13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
> 13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
> 13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
> Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
> 13:34:45 Ready
> 13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
> 13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version.
> Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load.
> 13:37:42 Ready
> 13:42:31 K3 is not responding
> 13:42:31 K3 is not responding
> 13:42:33 Ready
> 13:43:57 K3 is not responding
> 13:43:57 K3 is not responding
> 13:43:59 Ready
> 13:49:50 K3 is not responding
> 13:49:54 K3 is not responding
>
>  I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
> power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
> reappears...along with flashing TX led.
> I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the K3 port (3)
> and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
> upgrade process.
> I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
> not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...
>
> Help!
> Tom
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Re: K3 Dead MCU Load

Dick Dievendorff
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Don't load K3 firmware through a microHAM device (actually the microHAM
router).  It just doesn't work reliably.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of TMorton
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Dead MCU Load

After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check the website
for upgrade.
This is from the K3 Utility log:

13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient, this takes a
few seconds.
13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:45 Ready
13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version.
Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load.
13:37:42 Ready
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:33 Ready
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:59 Ready
13:49:50 K3 is not responding
13:49:54 K3 is not responding

 I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
reappears...along with flashing TX led.
I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the K3 port (3)
and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
upgrade process.
I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...

Help!
Tom
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Re: K3 Dead MCU Load

Dick Dievendorff
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Another thing you might try is to change the microHAM router so that the
radio type is "None".

This is discussed (briefly) in the K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting section
under "USB to Serial Adapter Troubleshooting".  It's the last item on that
page.

The microHAM router acts as if it's talking to a K3 that understands just
the documented K3 command structure.  The microHAM router doesn't faithfully
pass through data sent to or from the PC program.  The firmware load process
uses data streams that are not part of the K3 command structure.

The K3 doesn't understand the K3 command set until its MCU firmware is
loaded.  You'll have to get the microHAM router out of the way so that it
doesn't attempt to manipulate the data being sent to or from the K3 during
firmware load.  

The most straightforward way to do that is to cable the PC directly to the
radio with an RS-232 serial cable or a USB to Serial Adapter that doesn't
change the data stream.

The microHAM router has provided an "escape" string that supposedly gets the
router out of the way so that programs like the K3 Utility can load through
the router. It doesn't work at this point.  The router seems to be confused
by the sequence of commands the K3 Utility sends as it attempts to determine
the K3's baud rate and firmware inventory.  I'll continue to pursue this (I
own a microHAM device), but at this point in time it just doesn't work.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of TMorton
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Dead MCU Load

After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check the website
for upgrade.
This is from the K3 Utility log:

13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient, this takes a
few seconds.
13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:45 Ready
13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version.
Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load.
13:37:42 Ready
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:33 Ready
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:59 Ready
13:49:50 K3 is not responding
13:49:54 K3 is not responding

 I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
reappears...along with flashing TX led.
I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the K3 port (3)
and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
upgrade process.
I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...

Help!
Tom
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Re: K3 Dead MCU Load

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
In reply to this post by CX7TT

Every microHAM manual cautions against attempting to load
firmware to a transceiver through Router and any of the
microHAM interface hardware.  The K3 is no different.

In some cases, firmware can be uploaded if the K3 and Router
are already communicating and Router is set to "Disable router
queries" or if the radio type is changed to "no radio (mode
selected manually)."   However, in no case have I been able
to salvage/resume a botched upload through Router and any
microHAM interface.  

I keep a "real" serial port and/or a plain FTDI based USB to
serial converter on my systems specifically for firmware
uploads.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of TMorton
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Dead MCU Load
>
>
> After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
> software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check
> the website
> for upgrade.
> This is from the K3 Utility log:
>
> 13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
> 13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
> 13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient,
> this takes a
> few seconds.
> 13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
> Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
> 13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
> 13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
> 13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
> 13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
> 13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
> 13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
> Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
> 13:34:45 Ready
> 13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
> 13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and
> version. Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the
> firmware load. 13:37:42 Ready 13:42:31 K3 is not responding
> 13:42:31 K3 is not responding 13:42:33 Ready 13:43:57 K3 is
> not responding 13:43:57 K3 is not responding 13:43:59 Ready
> 13:49:50 K3 is not responding 13:49:54 K3 is not responding
>
>  I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
> power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
> reappears...along with flashing TX led.
> I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the
> K3 port (3)
> and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
> upgrade process.
> I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
> not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...
>
> Help!
> Tom



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Re: K3 Dead MCU Load

John Gaynard
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I thought I saw the response that he got the firmware upgrade fixed by using
the new K3 Utility.  He had not upgraded the K3 Utility.  I have the MKII
and am curious if it works successfully.  The last upgrade I did, I was at a
friend's station, and he used a serial cable to the firmware upload.

John K8WDN

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:20 PM
To: 'TMorton'; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Dead MCU Load

Another thing you might try is to change the microHAM router so that the
radio type is "None".

This is discussed (briefly) in the K3 Utility Help, Troubleshooting section
under "USB to Serial Adapter Troubleshooting".  It's the last item on that
page.

The microHAM router acts as if it's talking to a K3 that understands just
the documented K3 command structure.  The microHAM router doesn't faithfully
pass through data sent to or from the PC program.  The firmware load process
uses data streams that are not part of the K3 command structure.

The K3 doesn't understand the K3 command set until its MCU firmware is
loaded.  You'll have to get the microHAM router out of the way so that it
doesn't attempt to manipulate the data being sent to or from the K3 during
firmware load.  

The most straightforward way to do that is to cable the PC directly to the
radio with an RS-232 serial cable or a USB to Serial Adapter that doesn't
change the data stream.

The microHAM router has provided an "escape" string that supposedly gets the
router out of the way so that programs like the K3 Utility can load through
the router. It doesn't work at this point.  The router seems to be confused
by the sequence of commands the K3 Utility sends as it attempts to determine
the K3's baud rate and firmware inventory.  I'll continue to pursue this (I
own a microHAM device), but at this point in time it just doesn't work.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of TMorton
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:57 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Dead MCU Load

After using 2.57 for several months I decided to upgrade to latest
software. Started the K3 Utility, V 1.1.6.3 and had it check the website
for upgrade.
This is from the K3 Utility log:

13:31:24 K3 Utility Version 1.1.6.3
13:34:18 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com
13:34:18 Connected to Elecraft server. Please be patient, this takes a
few seconds.
13:34:24 Copying files to C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application
Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:31 Copied hmcu0278.hex from Elecraft
13:34:35 Copied HDSP0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:40 Copied HAUX0198.HEX from Elecraft
13:34:43 Copied hfwnotes.rtf from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied K3UtilityVersionInfo.txt from Elecraft
13:34:45 Copied 5 files from Elecraft to C:\Documents and
Settings\Owner\Application Data\Elecraft\K3 Firmware
13:34:45 Ready
13:37:28 K3 failed to enter MCU firmware load mode
13:37:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and version.
Turn the K3 off and back on, then re-try the firmware load.
13:37:42 Ready
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:31 K3 is not responding
13:42:33 Ready
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:57 K3 is not responding
13:43:59 Ready
13:49:50 K3 is not responding
13:49:54 K3 is not responding

 I tried turning on and off the rig, of course by having to kill the
power supply and holding the Power switch on until MCU LD
reappears...along with flashing TX led.
I am using the microKeyer II as my interface and went to the K3 port (3)
and clicked on the "disable router inquiries" before starting the
upgrade process.
I did save the previous config using the K3 utility but now the K3 is
not responding to the com port so K3 utility is essentially dead...

Help!
Tom
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