K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW
capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on SSB if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to the sidetone frequency. I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with an offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to CW REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this weekend. 73 John G3XDY K2 #4713 K3 #689 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I don't know about "Auto CW or SSB"
I can hear the CW pileup now ...... some guy hits his foot switch as he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says "oh darn" or something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. 73 Hank K8DD
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Hi Hank
Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as facilities. It keeps happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT delays and it has happened with this facility request before. Mike
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Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant imagine this
request is too high on the list. Jim K4JAF ----- Original Message ----- From: "AD6XY - Mike" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching > > Hi Hank > > Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as facilities. It keeps > happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT delays and it > has happened with this facility request before. > > Mike > > > hank k8dd wrote: >> >> I don't know about "Auto CW or SSB" >> I can hear the CW pileup now ...... some guy hits his foot switch as he >> leans >> over to grab the spilled beverage and says "oh darn" or something like >> that, >> and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. >> >> There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. >> >> 73 Hank K8DD >> >> >> >> G3XDY wrote: >>> >>> Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting for the Auto CW >>> capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press the key and on >>> SSB >>> if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between the two equal to >>> the >>> sidetone frequency. >>> >>> I have found a useful work around for now is to link the two VFOs with >>> an >>> offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher frequency one set to >>> CW >>> REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button then gives instant >>> changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. >>> >>> I hope to give this a work out in the European VHF/UHF/SHF contest this >>> weekend. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> John G3XDY >>> K2 #4713 >>> K3 #689 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: [hidden email] >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switching-tp17008996p17021385.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by .hank.
Hank,
You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should remain 'as is'. I believe the original request came from a VHF/UHF/microwave type person where the type of operation that is often used is to switch to CW when the SSB signal gets weak. As a result, such a function (if implemented) should be active only when the transverter bands are selected. There is also a VHF desire that the CW signal will be heard when the receiving end is listening in SSB mode - so the CW vs. CW-reverse selection becomes important and the CW frequency offset desired is different than that normally used on HF. 73, Don W3FPR hank k8dd wrote: > I don't know about "Auto CW or SSB" > I can hear the CW pileup now ...... some guy hits his foot switch as he > leans > over to grab the spilled beverage and says "oh darn" or something like that, > and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) spilled his beer. > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Jim Cox
> Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant > imagine this request is too high on the list. Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable to most serious VHF operators. After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need to frantically change modes and retune. Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R with no change in received tone. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim Cox > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM > To: AD6XY - Mike; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching > > > Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant > imagine this request is too high on the list. Jim K4JAF > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AD6XY - Mike" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching > > > > > > Hi Hank > > > > Please stop belittling what VHF types want to have as > facilities. It keeps > > happening and it is not very nice. It happened with the PTT > delays and it > > has happened with this facility request before. > > > > Mike > > > > > > hank k8dd wrote: > >> > >> I don't know about "Auto CW or SSB" > >> I can hear the CW pileup now ...... some guy hits his foot > switch as he > >> leans > >> over to grab the spilled beverage and says "oh darn" or > something like > >> that, > >> and the rest of the world knows he has (a) a K3 and (b) > spilled his beer. > >> > >> There's a lot more that I'd rather see on the K3. > >> > >> 73 Hank K8DD > >> > >> > >> > >> G3XDY wrote: > >>> > >>> Like a few other VHF and up types I'm patiently waiting > for the Auto CW > >>> capability on the K3, where it sends on CW if you press > the key and on > >>> SSB > >>> if you use the Mic PTT, with a frequency offset between > the two equal to > >>> the > >>> sidetone frequency. > >>> > >>> I have found a useful work around for now is to link the > two VFOs with > >>> an > >>> offset equal to the sidetone pitch, with the higher > frequency one set to > >>> CW > >>> REV and the lower on USB. Toggling the VFO A/B button > then gives instant > >>> changeover from SSB to CW without having to retune. > >>> > >>> I hope to give this a work out in the European > VHF/UHF/SHF contest this > >>> weekend. > >>> > >>> 73 > >>> > >>> John G3XDY > >>> K2 #4713 > >>> K3 #689 > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Post to: [hidden email] > >>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > >>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > > http://www.nabble.com/K3---Linking-the-VFOs-for-CW---SSB-switc > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4
Don, > You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should > remain 'as is'. No, it should be an option on the HF bands as well. I enjoyed having it available on HF with the FT-2000 and strongly believe others would use it once they became familiar with its advantages. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:18 AM > To: hank k8dd > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching > > > Hank, > > You are correct for HF band usage - that operation should > remain 'as is'. > I believe the original request came from a VHF/UHF/microwave type > person where the type of operation that is often used is to > switch to CW > when the SSB signal gets weak. As a result, such a function (if > implemented) should be active only when the transverter bands > are selected. > > There is also a VHF desire that the CW signal will be heard when the > receiving end is listening in SSB mode - so the CW vs. CW-reverse > selection becomes important and the CW frequency offset desired is > different than that normally used on HF. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > hank k8dd wrote: > > I don't know about "Auto CW or SSB" > > I can hear the CW pileup now ...... some guy hits his foot > switch as > > he leans over to grab the spilled beverage and says "oh darn" or > > something like that, and the rest of the world knows he has > (a) a K3 > > and (b) spilled his beer. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-3
I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on
HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy > to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I > find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need > to frantically change modes and retune. > > Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should > automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset > (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should > shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes > from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and > changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R > with no change in received tone. > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find him again. I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going to happen...
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and on CW/SSB nets. 73 Tony Fegan VE3QF G4ILO wrote: > Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: > >> >>> Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant >>> imagine this request is too high on the list. >>> >> Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a >> transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable >> to most serious VHF operators. >> >> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy >> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I >> find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need >> to frantically change modes and retune. >> >> Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should >> automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset >> (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should >> shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes >> from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and >> changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R >> with no change in received tone. >> >> >> > > If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same > signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - > and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down to the CW area > after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want to call the station and > switch modes in order to do so I've lost him and have to tune around to find > him again. > > I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I could > just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but that's not going > to happen... > > ----- > Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 > G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com > Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's
functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive mode after using the "auto CW" feature unless/until intentionally switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be taken into consideration, of course. Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) Bill W5WVO Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: > It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon > to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB > mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No > mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would > be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB > operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem > like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and > either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. > This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and > on CW/SSB nets. > > 73 > Tony Fegan VE3QF > > G4ILO wrote: >> Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: >> >>> >>>> Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant >>>> imagine this request is too high on the list. >>>> >>> Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a >>> transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable >>> to most serious VHF operators. >>> >>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy >>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I >>> find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need >>> to frantically change modes and retune. >>> >>> Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should >>> automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset >>> (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should >>> shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes >>> from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and >>> changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R >>> with no change in received tone. >>> >>> >>> >> >> If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the >> same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice >> feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down >> to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want >> to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him >> and have to tune around to find him again. >> >> I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I >> could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but >> that's not going to happen... >> >> ----- >> Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 >> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com >> Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf >> > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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We're testing this right now.
I'm not sure, but it may make it into the upcoming K3 f/w release. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ ---- Bill W5WVO wrote: > As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's > functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I > think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why > doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the > requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive > mode after using the "auto CW" feature unless/until intentionally > switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX > in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation > IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be > taken into consideration, of course. > > Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to > serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) > > Bill W5WVO > > > Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: >> It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon >> to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB >> mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No >> mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would >> be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB >> operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem >> like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and >> either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. >> This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and >> on CW/SSB nets. >> >> 73 >> Tony Fegan VE3QF >> >> G4ILO wrote: >>> Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant >>>>> imagine this request is too high on the list. >>>>> >>>> Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a >>>> transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable >>>> to most serious VHF operators. >>>> >>>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy >>>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I >>>> find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need >>>> to frantically change modes and retune. >>>> >>>> Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should >>>> automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset >>>> (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should >>>> shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes >>>> from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and >>>> changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R >>>> with no change in received tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the >>> same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice >>> feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down >>> to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want >>> to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him >>> and have to tune around to find him again. >>> >>> I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I >>> could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but >>> that's not going to happen... >>> >>> ----- >>> Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 >>> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com >>> Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO
One note: We are implementing this with regular CW transmit with the
appropriate offset, not as a transmitted tone. 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- Bill W5WVO wrote: > As the original requestor of this feature (and of using the FT-897's > functional implementation of it as the standard to be emulated), I > think Tony is on the right track here. I can't think of any reason why > doing it this way wouldn't work; it seems to satisfy all the > requiremets, including that of leaving the receiver in SSB receive > mode after using the "auto CW" feature unless/until intentionally > switched to full CW mode by the operator. (The failure to leave the RX > in SSB mode is what's wrong with the Kenwood TS-2000's implementation > IMO.) Keying shape at the audio frequency end would still have to be > taken into consideration, of course. > > Yes, this feature is primarily (albeit not solely) of interest to > serious VHF+ ops -- but there are lots of us out there. :-) > > Bill W5WVO > > > Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote: >> It seems to me that we are over-complicating this (hopefully soon >> to come) feature. All that is required is that, when in LSB or USB >> mode, a 700Hz tone is transmitted whenever the key is pressed. No >> mode switching or menu changes are required. The only caution would >> be to watch out for inadvertently closing the key during normal SSB >> operation. I am not a firmware programmer but this does not seem >> like a complicated task. On key closure switch to transmit mode and >> either QSK or VOX. Then generate a (700Hz) tone. >> This feature is very useful on SSB nets when copy is difficult and >> on CW/SSB nets. >> >> 73 >> Tony Fegan VE3QF >> >> G4ILO wrote: >>> Joe Subich, W4TV-3 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Patience please, with all the more serious problems, I cant >>>>> imagine this request is too high on the list. >>>>> >>>> Any rig that includes VHF capability or is designed to drive a >>>> transceiver should have the capability. It is indispensable >>>> to most serious VHF operators. >>>> >>>> After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy >>>> to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I >>>> find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need >>>> to frantically change modes and retune. >>>> >>>> Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should >>>> automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset >>>> (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should >>>> shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes >>>> from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and >>>> changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R >>>> with no change in received tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the >>> same signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice >>> feature - and I don't use VHF. But I often find myself tuning down >>> to the CW area after being on data, or vice versa, and when I want >>> to call the station and switch modes in order to do so I've lost him >>> and have to tune around to find him again. >>> >>> I also agree that it's not that urgent a need, not for me, anyway. I >>> could just remember to switch to CW before tuning down there, but >>> that's not going to happen... >>> >>> ----- >>> Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 >>> G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com >>> Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by G3XDY
WA6HHQ reported:
>We're testing this right now. Which was later clarified to be not VE3QF's A2-approach. Would you be so kind as to confirm that what has been implemented is triggered by keying input whilst in SSB? If so, will this new feature be user selectable? If not, can it be? Switching modes on a radio is usually something that comes as a result of the operator deciding to switch modes & having to do something specific to achieve that. Presumption that the keying line is only asserted when CW is to be sent is asking a bit much. Making the input for sending CW also trigger a mode change is a significant change in behavior, one that normally would not be expected of a radio - kind of like not expecting that switching on the main beam headlamps causes a car to change lanes & switch gears by itself. Having CW in the right place so that there is no need to move the VFO from where tuned for a SSB signal seems to be a more reasonable solution without adding feature that causes radio to go on form of walkabout on the unsuspecting. I seem to recall switching from USB to CW in QSO on FT-726R required no retuning. I don't recall ever changing from LSB to CW in QSO when on satellite, but today in radio with CW/CW-R & carrier in right place, the requested functionality could be had by the radio selecting CW/CW-R as appropriate for the SSB mode switched from. Not sure how to deal with direction of tuning - would seem a bit odd for sophisticated new radio like K3 to have what looked to be high/low-side injection change on some bands. 73, VR2/KBrett7Graham/p. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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First of all, nothing has been implemented yet.
Second, let's not complicate things here. The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would automatically put the rig into CW mode and when key-up occurs, the rig automatically reverts back to SSB mode. No switch fiddling, button pushing, or other operator input would be required. No change in frequency would occur EXCEPT that during key-down the standard CW offset would happen. By necessity, the feature would be enabled and disabled through a menu option. If CW is not your thing, don't worry about it -- you won't need it anyway. K9ZTV Someone wrote: > > Would you be so kind as to confirm that what has been > implemented is triggered by keying input whilst in SSB? > > If so, will this new feature be user selectable? > > If not, can it be? > > Switching modes on a radio is usually something that > comes as a result of the operator deciding to switch > modes & having to do something specific to achieve > that. Presumption that the keying line is only asserted > when CW is to be sent is asking a bit much. Making > the input for sending CW also trigger a mode change is > a significant change in behavior, one that normally would > not be expected of a radio - kind of like not expecting that > switching on the main beam headlamps causes a car > to change lanes & switch gears by itself. > > Having CW in the right place so that there is no need to > move the VFO from where tuned for a SSB signal seems > to be a more reasonable solution without adding feature > that causes radio to go on form of walkabout on the > unsuspecting. > > I seem to recall switching from USB to CW in QSO on > FT-726R required no retuning. I don't recall ever changing > from LSB to CW in QSO when on satellite, but today in > radio with CW/CW-R & carrier in right place, the requested > functionality could be had by the radio selecting CW/CW-R > as appropriate for the SSB mode switched from. Not > sure how to deal with direction of tuning - would seem a > bit odd for sophisticated new radio like K3 to have what > looked to be high/low-side injection change on some > bands. Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
No problem, Eric, any way to make it work! If it works like the FT-897, I'll
be extremely happy. Bill W5WVO Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > One note: We are implementing this with regular CW transmit with the > appropriate offset, not as a transmitted tone. > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
G4ILO wrote:
> If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same > signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - There are time when I would have found this useful on the K2 and I am having difficulty thinking of any case where the current behaviour would be an advantage. -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by KENT TRIMBLE
K9ZTV wrote:
> > The only thing being suggested is that the K3 be capable of CW while one > is operating SSB. This feature is currently found on several Yaesu and My comment about the K2 referred to the use of the mode switch (on the K2 PTT and one of the key lines are physically the same, so a mode switch is essential). Where PTT and key lines are distinct, I would still see it beneficial to implement with the mode switch, even if it was also implemented as a, transmit only, feature with the key. Unfortunately, K2 firmware changes are much more costly, although it might be worth stocking up on blank parts, in case the source is ever opened. > Icom rigs (don't know about Kenwood). The paddle/key would be in > parallel with the microphone (so to speak). Hitting the paddle would -- David Woolley "The Elecraft list is a forum for the discussion of topics related to Elecraft products and more general topics related ham radio" List Guidelines <http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_list_guidelines.htm> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
K2 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by David Woolley (E.L)
In a recent message, "David Woolley (E.L)" <[hidden email]>
writes >G4ILO wrote: >> If what we're discussing is the ability to change modes and keep the same >> signal centered in the passband then I agree it would be a nice feature - > >There are time when I would have found this useful on the K2 and I am >having difficulty thinking of any case where the current behaviour >would be an advantage. I would certain find the feature an advantage when I use my K2 with my XV144 transverter. I wonder whether Elecraft would consider this with the next K2 MCU upgrade? 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: K3 - Linking the VFOs for CW - SSB switching
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In reply to this post by KENT TRIMBLE
Add my vote to this. I can't even estimate how many contacts I have missed while changing modes and retuning.
- Ron K9ZTV <[hidden email]> wrote: I agree completely with Joe, having found this a convenient feature on HF when using an FT-897. K9ZTV Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > After experiencing it with the FT-2000, I find "auto CW" a joy > to use for tuning a quiet band ... I can tune in SSB and, if I > find myself in the CW band, answer a CW call without the need > to frantically change modes and retune. > > Quite simply, if one is in LSB and taps the key, the radio should > automatically shift to CW zero beat with the "normal" CW offset > (e.g., 500 Hz, 600 Hz, etc.) - if one is in USB, the radio should > shift to CW-R with the proper offset. Similarly, changing modes > from LSB to CW should result in no change in received tone and > changing modes from USB to CW should automatically select CW-R > with no change in received tone. > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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