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alsopb

K3 New fw loader

Installed this (1.2.3.18). Removed old loader first.
It appears to set the rig in AFSK A mode for digital overriding what was
last used. My digital mode is always set to FSK D.
Happened last night when testing with FW3.06 and today with FW3.10.
This did not happen with the older loader/FW3.06

Anybody else seeing this?

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Doug Joyce

Re: K3 New fw loader

Brian: I loaded K3 Utility 1.2.3.18 and then FW 3.10 / 2.15 this AM - it
did not disturb my FSK D settings.

73, Doug VE3MV K3/100 s/n 2432

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alsop" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

> Installed this (1.2.3.18). Removed old loader first.
> It appears to set the rig in AFSK A mode for digital overriding what was
> last used. My digital mode is always set to FSK D.
> Happened last night when testing with FW3.06 and today with FW3.10.
> This did not happen with the older loader/FW3.06
>
> Anybody else seeing this?
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>

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Joe Planisky

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by alsopb

Hi Brian,

I noticed similar behavior back in March and reported it to the list
on March 9th. So I don't think it's necessarily new with the new
utility or firmware. Unfortunately, I've never been able to reproduce
the problem consistently, so it remains a mystery.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:

> Installed this (1.2.3.18). Removed old loader first.
> It appears to set the rig in AFSK A mode for digital overriding what
> was
> last used. My digital mode is always set to FSK D.
> Happened last night when testing with FW3.06 and today with FW3.10.
> This did not happen with the older loader/FW3.06
>
> Anybody else seeing this?
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO

Dick Dievendorff

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by alsopb

I know of no code in the K3 Utility that intentionally changes the Data
Submode. There are cases where the K3 Utility saves (and usually restores)
some rig settings (notably Auto Info, Text to Terminal, K2 and K3 modes),
and during the Tx Gain calibration test a number of rig parameters are
changed (and for those I can, restored), but data submode is not one of the
things I touch.

Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:43 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

Installed this (1.2.3.18). Removed old loader first.
It appears to set the rig in AFSK A mode for digital overriding what was
last used. My digital mode is always set to FSK D.
Happened last night when testing with FW3.06 and today with FW3.10.
This did not happen with the older loader/FW3.06

Anybody else seeing this?

73 de Brian/K3KO
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Bill Johnson-9

Re: K3 New fw loader

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develop.

Bill

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Brian Alsop
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

Hi Brian,

I noticed similar behavior back in March and reported it to the list
on March 9th. So I don't think it's necessarily new with the new
utility or firmware. Unfortunately, I've never been able to reproduce
the problem consistently, so it remains a mystery.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Brian Alsop wrote:

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alsopb

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

Guys,

I've been able to reproduce this. No idea where it is coming from.
It may not be the loader but something in 3.06 or 3.10. Odd that I
don't recall seeing it in many weeks of using 3.06. Since I never use
DATA A but switch a lot between FSK D, CW and SSB, it should have jumped
out.

Here are the steps.
1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
2) Set mode to CW.
3) Turn radio off .
4) Turn radio back on
5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.

Will try a new download and reload of 3.10.

73 de Brian/K3KO
Dick Dievendorff wrote:

>I know of no code in the K3 Utility that intentionally changes the Data
>Submode. There are cases where the K3 Utility saves (and usually restores)
>some rig settings (notably Auto Info, Text to Terminal, K2 and K3 modes),
>and during the Tx Gain calibration test a number of rig parameters are
>changed (and for those I can, restored), but data submode is not one of the
>things I touch.
>
>Dick, K6KR
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email]
>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian Alsop
>Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:43 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>Installed this (1.2.3.18). Removed old loader first.
>It appears to set the rig in AFSK A mode for digital overriding what was
>last used. My digital mode is always set to FSK D.
>Happened last night when testing with FW3.06 and today with FW3.10.
>This did not happen with the older loader/FW3.06
>
>Anybody else seeing this?
>
>73 de Brian/K3KO
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KK7P

Re: K3 New fw loader

> Here are the steps.
> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
> 2) Set mode to CW.
> 3) Turn radio off .
> 4) Turn radio back on
> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.

I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Stephen Prior

Re: K3 New fw loader

Well, on my K3 I have to agree with Brian, following his steps does cause on
my #980 with latest 3.10 the data mode to return to Data A. Since Data A is
the only one I use I had not noticed it before.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 16/04/2009 23:47, "Lyle Johnson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> Here are the steps.
>> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
>> 2) Set mode to CW.
>> 3) Turn radio off .
>> 4) Turn radio back on
>> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>
> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: K3 New fw loader

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I just tried it 5 times. The first time it came up FSK D, and every time
after that it came up DATA A . Go figure.
I don't think it has anything to do with the K3 Utility, though.
73,
Ken K3IU
Lyle Johnson wrote:

>> Here are the steps.
>> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
>> 2) Set mode to CW.
>> 3) Turn radio off .
>> 4) Turn radio back on
>> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>>
>
> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>

Bob Serwy

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by KK7P

I just did the same steps (twice) and my data mode did change to DATA A
(both times). Using 3.10.

Bob Serwy - N9RS

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 PM
To: Brian Alsop
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

> Here are the steps.
> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
> 2) Set mode to CW.
> 3) Turn radio off .
> 4) Turn radio back on
> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.

I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Robert Dorchuck

Re: K3 New fw loader

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I just tried it several times on two K3's and it came up DATA A every
time.

Bob W6VY

----- Original Message ----- >>> Here are the steps.
>>> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
>>> 2) Set mode to CW.
>>> 3) Turn radio off .
>>> 4) Turn radio back on
>>> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>>>
>>
>> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 New fw loader

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Just tried it five consecutive times and FSK D was retained all
five times.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Serwy
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: 'Lyle Johnson'; 'Brian Alsop'
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>
> I just did the same steps (twice) and my data mode did change
> to DATA A (both times). Using 3.10.
>
> Bob Serwy - N9RS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: Brian Alsop
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
> > Here are the steps.
> > 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
> > 2) Set mode to CW.
> > 3) Turn radio off .
> > 4) Turn radio back on
> > 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>
> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
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Dave Hachadorian

Re: K3 New fw loader

I just tried it once each on two different K3's, and they
each switched from FSK D to DATA A.

Both radios run 3.10, loaded with the new utility.

I never change modes with the mode switch (I use memories),
so I never would have noticed this if I hadn't specifically
tried to duplicate it.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Bob Serwy'" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

>
> Just tried it five consecutive times and FSK D was
> retained all
> five times.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Bob Serwy
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:45 PM
>> To: 'Lyle Johnson'; 'Brian Alsop'
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>>
>>
>> I just did the same steps (twice) and my data mode did
>> change
>> to DATA A (both times). Using 3.10.
>>
>> Bob Serwy - N9RS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Lyle Johnson
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 PM
>> To: Brian Alsop
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>>
>> > Here are the steps.
>> > 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there
>> > correctly
>> > 2) Set mode to CW.
>> > 3) Turn radio off .
>> > 4) Turn radio back on
>> > 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>>
>> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Lyle KK7P
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 New fw loader

Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility.
I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data
tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.

I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dave
> Hachadorian
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:44 AM
> To: Elecraft reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>
> I just tried it once each on two different K3's, and they
> each switched from FSK D to DATA A.
>
> Both radios run 3.10, loaded with the new utility.
>
> I never change modes with the mode switch (I use memories),
> so I never would have noticed this if I hadn't specifically
> tried to duplicate it.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Bob Serwy'" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>
> >
> > Just tried it five consecutive times and FSK D was
> > retained all
> > five times.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Serwy
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:45 PM
> >> To: 'Lyle Johnson'; 'Brian Alsop'
> >> Cc: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
> >>
> >>
> >> I just did the same steps (twice) and my data mode did
> >> change
> >> to DATA A (both times). Using 3.10.
> >>
> >> Bob Serwy - N9RS
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> >> Lyle Johnson
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:47 PM
> >> To: Brian Alsop
> >> Cc: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
> >>
> >> > Here are the steps.
> >> > 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there
> >> > correctly
> >> > 2) Set mode to CW.
> >> > 3) Turn radio off .
> >> > 4) Turn radio back on
> >> > 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
> >>
> >> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Lyle KK7P
> >>
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N2TK

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by Robert Dorchuck

Yep, here too.
I tried setting mode to both CW and SSB. With either mode digital mode goes
to DATA A when turning back on.

73,
N2TK, Tony
#1435

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Robert Dorchuck
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:58 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

I just tried it several times on two K3's and it came up DATA A every
time.

Bob W6VY

----- Original Message ----- >>> Here are the steps.
>>> 1) Set digital mode to FSK -D. Verify it is there correctly
>>> 2) Set mode to CW.
>>> 3) Turn radio off .
>>> 4) Turn radio back on
>>> 5) Look at the digital mode. It becomes DATA A.
>>>
>>
>> I followed these steps, and my Data mode remains FSK.

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by alsopb

> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
> help unravel what's going on.
>
> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
> seeing it also. I believe he has an even older K3.

I don't understand it either ... I've been TRYING to duplicate
the symptoms and can't make the rig come up in anything except
FSK D when that's where it was set. S/N is 622 but I've heard
of "failures" with both higher and lower s/n.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Alsop [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>
> Joe,
>
> There has to be a common failure mode for those of us
> experiencing this.
>
> Rumors have it that some EEPROMs are slow to write for series
> of boards.
>
> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
> help unravel
> what's going on.
>
> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
> seeing it
> also. I believe he has an even older K3.
>
> The odd thing is that whatever triggered this, can't be
> cured by going
> back to older FW versions and older FW loaders.
> It's like an EEPROM memory bit is bad or not being written on
> shutdown..
> Behaves like what you get when turning off power supply rather than
> the K3 power switch.
>
> A mystery indeed.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> >Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility.
> >I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data
> >tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.
> >
> >I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
> >waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.
> >
> >73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >

drewko

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

My K3 always resets to Data A on power up. I noticed this in version
2.78 when I first tried the data modes.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:51:20 -0400, Joe, W4TV wrote:

>
>Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility.
>I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data
>tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.
>
>I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
>waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.
>
>73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>

Steve Ellington

Re: K3 New fw loader

Joe: Did you by chance skip the step where you change to CW before turning
off the rig? If I skip that, it comes back in FSK-D but if not, it changes
to Data A
Steve Ellington
[hidden email]
----- Original Message -----
From: "drewko" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader

> My K3 always resets to Data A on power up. I noticed this in version
> 2.78 when I first tried the data modes.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:51:20 -0400, Joe, W4TV wrote:
>
>>
>>Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility.
>>I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data
>>tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.
>>
>>I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
>>waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.
>>
>>73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3 New fw loader

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Joe and all,

It seems much of Elecraft has gone to Visalia for the weekend, so we may
not get any further ideas until they return.

The serial number is not the best indicator of the K3 vintage until
after the extreme backlog was cleared last year. If you recall, factory
assembled K3s spent longer at Aptos than the kits, and serial numbers
were pre-assigned at the time the order was pulled. The date of
manufacture (or shipment) is a much better indicator of vintage for K3s
during that backlog period.

Mine is of the December 2007 vintage and it has the same behavior as
Brian's which is June '08. It would appear that many earlier K3s do not
display the same behavior.

*If* the Data mode is stored in EEPROM, then I do have a good guess for
the source, but we will have to wait on Wayne and Lyle for that
information - patience is good, the problem has been identified and it
will not be ignored.

Many thanks to Brian for spotting this. My data mode stays in DATA A
normally so I for one would not have noticed in normal operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
>> help unravel what's going on.
>>
>> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
>> seeing it also. I believe he has an even older K3.
>>
>
> I don't understand it either ... I've been TRYING to duplicate
> the symptoms and can't make the rig come up in anything except
> FSK D when that's where it was set. S/N is 622 but I've heard
> of "failures" with both higher and lower s/n.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Alsop [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> There has to be a common failure mode for those of us
>> experiencing this.
>>
>> Rumors have it that some EEPROMs are slow to write for series
>> of boards.
>>
>> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
>> help unravel
>> what's going on.
>>
>> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
>> seeing it
>> also. I believe he has an even older K3.
>>
>> The odd thing is that whatever triggered this, can't be
>> cured by going
>> back to older FW versions and older FW loaders.
>> It's like an EEPROM memory bit is bad or not being written on
>> shutdown..
>> Behaves like what you get when turning off power supply rather than
>> the K3 power switch.
>>
>> A mystery indeed.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility.
>>> I loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data
>>> tables twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.
>>>
>>> I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
>>> waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: K3 New fw loader

Don,

> The date of manufacture (or shipment) is a much better indicator
> of vintage for K3s during that backlog period.
>
> Mine is of the December 2007 vintage and it has the same behavior
> as Brian's which is June '08. It would appear that many earlier
> K3s do not

My first unit is between yours an Brian's ... I can't see the
failure as date of manufacture related. S/N 622 was a kit -
staged in the factory in early April 2008 and received almost
exactly one year ago.

However, out of curiosity, I connected the second K3 (S/N 1450 -
kit, manufactured in August 2008) and updated its firmware. The
second unit exhibits the "failure." Both units have identical
options and all settings are as nearly identical as I can make
them from memory. The "failure" will be a real PITA for RTTY
operator unless one is using AFSK with a non-standard mark
frequency!

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
>
>
> Joe and all,
>
> It seems much of Elecraft has gone to Visalia for the
> weekend, so we may
> not get any further ideas until they return.
>
> The serial number is not the best indicator of the K3 vintage until
> after the extreme backlog was cleared last year. If you
> recall, factory
> assembled K3s spent longer at Aptos than the kits, and serial numbers
> were pre-assigned at the time the order was pulled. The date of
> manufacture (or shipment) is a much better indicator of
> vintage for K3s
> during that backlog period.
>
> Mine is of the December 2007 vintage and it has the same behavior as
> Brian's which is June '08. It would appear that many earlier
> K3s do not
> display the same behavior.
>
> *If* the Data mode is stored in EEPROM, then I do have a good
> guess for
> the source, but we will have to wait on Wayne and Lyle for that
> information - patience is good, the problem has been
> identified and it
> will not be ignored.
>
> Many thanks to Brian for spotting this. My data mode stays in DATA A
> normally so I for one would not have noticed in normal operation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
> >> help unravel what's going on.
> >>
> >> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
> >> seeing it also. I believe he has an even older K3.
> >>
> >
> > I don't understand it either ... I've been TRYING to duplicate
> > the symptoms and can't make the rig come up in anything except
> > FSK D when that's where it was set. S/N is 622 but I've heard
> > of "failures" with both higher and lower s/n.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brian Alsop [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 AM
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New fw loader
> >>
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> There has to be a common failure mode for those of us
> >> experiencing this.
> >>
> >> Rumors have it that some EEPROMs are slow to write for series
> >> of boards.
> >>
> >> Perhaps if we knew which S/N's are involved that might also
> >> help unravel
> >> what's going on.
> >>
> >> Mine is #1129. Another reported his #980 had it. W3FPR is
> >> seeing it
> >> also. I believe he has an even older K3.
> >>
> >> The odd thing is that whatever triggered this, can't be
> >> cured by going
> >> back to older FW versions and older FW loaders.
> >> It's like an EEPROM memory bit is bad or not being written on
> >> shutdown..
> >> Behaves like what you get when turning off power supply
> rather than
> >> the K3 power switch.
> >>
> >> A mystery indeed.
> >>
> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO
> >>
> >> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Strange ... I'm also running 3.10 loaded with the new utility. I
> >>> loaded 3.10, DSP1 2.15, DSP2, 2.15, FP 1.00 and the data tables
> >>> twice. Power was cycled power between the two uploads.
> >>>
> >>> I have not checked the second K3 ... it's offline at the moment
> >>> waiting for me to make a couple of the updates.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> ... Joe, W4TV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
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