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KG7FYI

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks K2ULR. I have fond memories of calling home from Okinawa in '64
via MARS. It was a fantastic service to the troops. Now I hear there is
very little of that going on. Satellite internet seems to be the rage.
We do have several MARS folks in our club and one in the immediate area
of concern.

73

On 04/27/2017 02:37 PM, Raymond Sills [via Elecraft] wrote:

> Good points. And, besides that.. MARS communication deals with a
> military connection.. i.e. sending messages to or from deployed
> service people, either as written text (morse, digital, etc) or voice,
> often via phone patches.
>
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
>
>
>
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> On 4/27/2017 9:51 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> > I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> > provide maximum versatility for communication. This would include the
> > MARS bands. We have several folks here with General and Extra class
> > licenses. I don't think our radios should be encumbered with the
> > limitation of band width.
>
> If you have a MARS authorization, Elecraft will provide the patch.
> However, you do not need it for ARES and/or RACES operations which
> are strictly amateur based. In essence, operate within your amateur
> authorizations - don't decide you "need it" just because you want it.
>
> Of course, you will learn that the rules mean something once you have
> been licensed more than a couple of years - the current examinations
> obviously don't stress that the rules trump any entitlement.
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> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
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Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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28.400 is part of SSB phone bandplan and should be usable on any K3 or other HF radio.

FM is usually operated above 29.00 I believe, but you need the 13KHz filter for FM.

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> On Apr 27, 2017, at 9:18 AM, KG7FYI <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the input.
> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a loose
> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to have as
> many options as possible available for our small community. We have been
> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES usually
> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not reasonable
> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done ARES/RACES
> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our club to
> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time also I'll
> make contact on my own. Thanks.
>
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KG7FYI

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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Words of wisdom. That ranks high with me, Ron.
Fortunately this is not my first rodeo and such are the times. I'm
willing to be beat over the head and shoulders if I learn what I came
here for. :)

73, Stan KG7FYI

On 04/27/2017 04:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> I routinely use the delete key for such outbursts and try to avoid judging
> someone by their worst comment.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
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>
> Thanks Joe. I am learning but the entitlement attitude is a new one for me.
> I'll have to figure that one out.
>
>
> On 04/27/2017 11:18 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>> On the other hand our ARES usually also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ
>>> which is not open on my K3.
>> You obviously do not know how to operate your K3 (probably a failure
>> to red the manual) since 28.400 MHz is squarely within the amateur
>> 10 meter band and works just fine with a stock K3, K3S - even the K2,
>> KX2 and KX3.
>>
>> Again, I certainly hope you learn more about amateur radio and get
>> rid of the entitlement attitude.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/2017 12:18 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the input.
>>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a
>> loose
>>> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
>>> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to
>> have as
>>> many options as possible available for our small community. We have
>> been
>>> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
>>> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES
>> usually
>>> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not
>> reasonable
>>> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done
>> ARES/RACES
>>> certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our
>> club to
>>> see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time
>> also I'll
>>> make contact on my own. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for now.
Thread closed.

73,
Eric
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On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency, by FCC rules.
>
> But…
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Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

Nothing like beating a dead horse to hamburger to make friends :) I've
made some excellent private contacts through this so a win in the end.
Thanks for intervening. Like all communities there's the rough and the
polished. Thanks for letting it go long enough for me to learn a few
things.

73

Stan
Never Does Nature Say One Thing and Wisdom Another
~~~~ o o o -.- --. --... ..-. -.-- .. ><((((º>
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On 04/27/2017 06:14 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [via Elecraft] wrote:

> Looks like we've beaten this OT thread to death. Let's let it rest for
> now.
> Thread closed.
>
> 73,
> Eric
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> On 4/27/2017 4:02 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> > Yes, anyone is allowed to use any mode or frequency in an emergency,
> by FCC rules.
> >
> > But…
> >
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KG7FYI

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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Hi Marvin,

Thanks for the email. Here's where we stand at the moment.

I am certified ICS 100, ICS 100b, ICS 200, IS-00700a (NIMS), ICS 800B
and others.

Organizationally we are Red Cross, UVARC (Umpqua Valley Radio Club),
Douglas County ARES on the local and State level. Our local are on top
of our game. Our EOC is located in the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.
(Lot's of hoops there- finger prints etc.) When we do sets it is with
State emergency services, local hospitals, the VA medical center, SARS
(Search and Rescue) etc.

Geographically we are in the Cascadia Subduction Zone high impact area.
Considerations are tsunami, quake, floods. The State of Oregon has
provided tsunami and quake damage modeling data that is dialed into
various possible Richter Scale scenarios. The big one is overdue by an
estimated 50 years.

Our very local scenario is filled with mountains and valleys. We are the
land of “One Hundred Valleys”. Actually there are thousands of them! 2M
is very spotty. The USFS ( I have 80 acres in the middle of Umpqua
National Forest ) radio infrastructure is miserable. Cut backs of
appropriated $. We coordinate with County SARS.

I am personally CERT certified.

At one stage of my long life I was an EMT for some time.

Solar, generator and grid.

Our ARES group requires go bags for all vehicles. Few people but a lot
of livestock and gardens here.

My only concern was availability of frequency bandwidth. We have a least
two Extra Class licenses in the community and one MARS certified.
Unfortunately they are many 15+ miles away deep in a valley.

We're trying.

73
Stan KG7FYI

On 04/27/2017 08:08 AM, Marvin Wheeler [via Elecraft] wrote:

> Eric:
>
> Speaking as a former professional Emergency Management Coordinator you
> are
> asking to be able to do something that will not endear you to neither the
> County, State, or Federal Agencies.
>
> Having persons uninformed with net operations is totally disruptive to
> the
> point, at times, that all traffic stops. Not only will you incur the
> wrath
> of these agencies you well might incur the wrath of the FCC. Just because
> there is an emergency does not give you Carte Blanc to use radio
> equipment
> as ones private forum.
>
> There is, however, systems in place that welcome participation like
> yours.
> Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES) is an organization provided
> for in Part 97 of the Federal Communications Commission rules and
> regulations governing amateur radio. RACES stations are licensed to do
> exactly what it seems you wish to prepare to do.
>
> I would recommend you contact the Oregon Department of Emergency
> Management
> and describe exactly what you wish to do. You probably will be surprised
> how receptive they will be.
>
> Our office location:
> 3225 State St., Room 115
> Salem, Oregon 97301
> Map/Directions
>
> Hours of Operation:
> 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday - Friday
> The Oregon Office of Emergency Management observes all state holidays
> including Martin Luther King Jr. Day, President's Day, Memorial Day,
> Independence Day, Labor Day, Veteran's Day, Christmas Day and New Year's
> Day.
>
> Loose cannons generally don't hit their aiming point but instead wreak
> collateral damage.
>
> Marv - KG7V
> K3S, KPA 500, KAT 500
>
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500
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> Thank you all for the responses. Our situation here is somewhat different
> regarding emergency preparedness. We are a very rural environment in SW
> Oregon. No cell service, frequent land line outages, very mountainous
> terrain and few options for communication in the event of an extreme
> emergency. The State of Oregon has been actively engaged with local ARES
> groups to prepare for an expected 9.1 subduction zone quake off of the
> Pacific Coast. All models point toward a complete disruption of all
> services
> for months and much of the destruction to disrupt the norm for years. Our
> community is isolated with the probability of all infrastructure
> collapsing
> and our demographic being physically unable to move in or out of the area
> except by foot. There are approximately 300 people within the thus
> affected
> zone. I am interested in opening up as much bandwidth as possible to
> provide
> maximum versatility for communication. This would include the MARS
> bands. We
> have several folks here with General and Extra class licenses. I don't
> think
> our radios should be encumbered with the limitation of band width. I
> suppose
> I could acquire the patch by some other means but I would just as soon
> have
> it from Elecraft.
>
> I have not purchased yet but I am particularly interested in the
> possibility
> of an amplifier for my radios. I wondered if the KAT500 hundred could
> handle
> more than 100 watts? In discussions with club members it is apparent that
> some are for and others against 1000 watt amps etc. I'm curious if the
> elecraft tuner has wattage limits.
>
>
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KG7FYI

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

In reply to this post by Matt Zilmer-3

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI

On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:

> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3. See p54 of the Owner's
> Manual.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > 28.400 is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just
> fine there (Mine does)
> > That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a
> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you
> may hear them
> >
> > From: KG7FYI <[hidden email]
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> >
> > Thanks for all the input.
> > I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a
> loose
> > cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
> > emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to
> have as
> > many options as possible available for our small community. We have
> been
> > submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
> > integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES
> usually
> > also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not
> reasonable
> > at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done
> ARES/RACES
> > certification to qualify for participation. I'll touch in with our
> club to
> > see where we are regarding our RACES commitment. In the mean time
> also I'll
> > make contact on my own. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Matt Zilmer-3

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up),
you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?

Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever: VFO A is
just an optical encoder with A/B outputs. A and B act in quadrature
(only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions are counted
by a microcontroller (MCU). The only limit on what frequency range you
can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU. The K3 allows receive from VLF
(136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.

Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps. See if
you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq. Then you
can memorize it using the V > M switch.

I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If
you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration
first. You'll need to restore it after the "set defaults" is completed.

73,

matt W6NIA

On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
>
> 73
> Stan KG7FYI
>
>
> On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3. See p54 of the Owner's
>> Manual.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>>
>> On 4/27/2017 9:49 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> 28.400 is within the 10 meter band and your K3 should work just
>> fine there (Mine does)
>>> That being said 28.4 may not be your best choice as it tends to be a
>> calling frequency of sorts and even though they may not hear you you
>> may hear them
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>>> Thanks for all the input.
>>> I hope you aren't getting the impression that I am preparing to be a
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>>> cannon. We regularly carry on sets in anticipation of the type of
>>> emergencies the State is preparing for. Nonetheless my desire is to
>> have as
>>> many options as possible available for our small community. We have
>> been
>>> submitting grant proposals to upgrade our 2M equipment to be better
>>> integrated into the ARES net system here. On the other hand our ARES
>> usually
>>> also does check ins on 28.400 MHZ which is not open on my K3. Not
>> reasonable
>>> at all, hence my hope to scale things up. Our ARES group has done
>> ARES/RACES
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Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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Turn off the VFO lock. Hold the rate/lock button.

Ken K6MR

From: KG7FYI<mailto:[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 P3 and KAT500

Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
everything down to default settings and see what happens?

73
Stan KG7FYI

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Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

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Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up), you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
>
> Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever: VFO A is just an optical encoder with A/B outputs. A and B act in quadrature (only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions are counted by a microcontroller (MCU). The only limit on what frequency range you can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU. The K3 allows receive from VLF (136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.
>
> Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps. See if you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq. Then you can memorize it using the V > M switch.
>
> I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration first. You'll need to restore it after the "set defaults" is completed.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
>> On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
>> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
>> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
>>
>> 73
>> Stan KG7FYI
>>
>>
>>> On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>>> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3. See p54 of the Owner's
>>> Manual.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> matt W6NIA
>>>

Matt Zilmer-3

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

I think Stan said he was on 10m, not a transverter band. If he has a
transverter programmed in (maybe without his knowledge?) 10m would
still be 10m and the xvtr band would be its own band.

I'm stumped. Waiting for Stan to reply to last email....

Someone thought it might be LOCKed, but that applies across all bands'
VFO settings.

73,

matt W6NIA

On 4/29/2017 4:17 PM, Nr4c wrote:

> Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up), you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
>>
>> Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever: VFO A is just an optical encoder with A/B outputs. A and B act in quadrature (only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions are counted by a microcontroller (MCU). The only limit on what frequency range you can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU. The K3 allows receive from VLF (136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a transverter.
>>
>> Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps. See if you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq. Then you can memorize it using the V > M switch.
>>
>> I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted. If you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's configuration first. You'll need to restore it after the "set defaults" is completed.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>>
>>> On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>>> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
>>> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
>>> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Stan KG7FYI
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
>>>> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3. See p54 of the Owner's
>>>> Manual.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> matt W6NIA
>>>>

Don Wilhelm

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

In reply to this post by KG7FYI

Stan,

That sounds like you are switching from band to band with the VFO Lock
turned on. Check to be certain that the VFO Lock is not turned on.
If the VFO A knob does not change the frequency, then VFO Lock is on.
You should be able to tune from 28.000 MHz to 29.700 MHz with the VFO
knob when the band is set for 10 meters.

The K3 is not set to fixed frequencies by default. VFO A (or VFO B)
should be able to tune the entire ham band.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/29/2017 2:03 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial 28.400.
> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
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NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight

In reply to this post by KG7FYI

Hi Stan,

Responding to excerpts below:

KG7FYI wrote

Our very local scenario is filled with mountains and valleys. We are the
land of “One Hundred Valleys”. Actually there are thousands of them! 2M
is very spotty.

Our ARES group requires go bags for all vehicles. Few people but a lot
of livestock and gardens here.

My only concern was availability of frequency bandwidth. We have a least
two Extra Class licenses in the community and one MARS certified.
Unfortunately they are many 15+ miles away deep in a valley.

Sounds like a beautiful area! You probably know this but NVIS would be a perfect solution for you. 40 meters would be the easiest NVIS antenna (very low dipole) to implement. "Military NVIS communications mostly take place on 2-4 MHz at night and on 5-7 MHz during daylight."

Here's a link explaining:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_vertical_incidence_skywave

However this would require General Class licenses or higher for voice modes.

73 and Good Luck!

Bill W4ZV

KG7FYI

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

In reply to this post by Matt Zilmer-3

> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up),
> you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
something I programmed into the system. I checked the config menu (BND
MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally programmed
an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.

I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me in the right
direction and I'll plow through it.

All: I really appreciate the help.

73
Stan KG7FYI

On 04/29/2017 05:00 PM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:

> I think Stan said he was on 10m, not a transverter band. If he has a
> transverter programmed in (maybe without his knowledge?) 10m would
> still be 10m and the xvtr band would be its own band.
>
> I'm stumped. Waiting for Stan to reply to last email....
>
> Someone thought it might be LOCKed, but that applies across all bands'
> VFO settings.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 4/29/2017 4:17 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>
> > Wondering if he has a XVERTER inabled.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ...nr4c. bill
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Matt Zilmer <[hidden email]
> </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7630115&i=0>> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND
> (up), you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to
> 28.4?
> >>
> >> Explanation of why this is confusing / strange / whatever: VFO A
> is just an optical encoder with A/B outputs. A and B act in
> quadrature (only one of them changes per "click") and the transitions
> are counted by a microcontroller (MCU). The only limit on what
> frequency range you can dial to is the firmware inthe MCU. The K3
> allows receive from VLF (136 KHz) through 30 MHz, used without a
> transverter.
> >>
> >> Why don't you try direct frequency entry before any next steps.
> See if you can enter 28.400 MHz. At least that will put you on freq.
> Then you can memorize it using the V > M switch.
> >>
> >> I wouldn't EE INIT the radio until all other options are exhausted.
> If you decide to do that anyway, be sure and save your K3's
> configuration first. You'll need to restore it after the "set
> defaults" is completed.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> matt W6NIA
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 4/29/2017 11:03 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
> >>> Thanks Matt. Nope all bands are set to In. I am unable to dial
> 28.400.
> >>> The band jumps from 24.842 to 28.676. Perhaps I should try dropping
> >>> everything down to default settings and see what happens?
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>> Stan KG7FYI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/27/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Zilmer-3 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> >>>> BND MAP may be set to OFF for 10m on his K3. See p54 of the Owner's
> >>>> Manual.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73,
> >>>>
> >>>> matt W6NIA
> >>>>
>
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> -- unknonwn
>
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> [Shiraz]
>
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Re: NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight

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Thanks Bill. Yes it is a very nice area. This is us
http://www.singingfalls.com

Right now the antenna plan is thus. :

Two towers spanning 380 feet. The foundations are poured and towers
staged. Working on refurbishing a used KT34XA to current '36XA specs. I
will have a 2M yagi pointed and our ARES relay tower and a 2M vertical
for general purposes to access other available bands. I will have a 11M
yagi up to communicate with unlicensed locals. Most folks have a cb base
out here. I've got a multiband dipole and a long wire to span the two
towers. ( I named the towers Sauron and Saruman :) )

73
Stan KG7FYI

On 04/30/2017 03:04 AM, Bill W4ZV [via Elecraft] wrote:

> Hi Stan,
>
> Responding to excerpts below:
>
> KG7FYI wrote
> Our very local scenario is filled with mountains and valleys. We
> are the
> land of “One Hundred Valleys”. Actually there are thousands of
> them! 2M
> is very spotty.
>
> Our ARES group requires go bags for all vehicles. Few people but a
> lot
> of livestock and gardens here.
>
> My only concern was availability of frequency bandwidth. We have a
> least
> two Extra Class licenses in the community and one MARS certified.
> Unfortunately they are many 15+ miles away deep in a valley.
>
> Sounds like a beautiful area! You probably know this but NVIS would
> be a perfect solution for you. 40 meters would be the easiest NVIS
> antenna (very low dipole) to implement. "Military NVIS communications
> mostly take place on 2-4 MHz at night and on 5-7 MHz during daylight."
>
> Here's a link explaining:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_vertical_incidence_skywave
>
> However this would require General Class licenses or higher for voice
> modes.
>
> 73 and Good Luck!
>
> Bill W4ZV
>
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Re: NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight

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P.S. I have my General Class license with my eye on Extra some time in
the not too distant future.

s

On 04/30/2017 03:04 AM, Bill W4ZV [via Elecraft] wrote:

Stan KG7FYI

Don Wilhelm

Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

In reply to this post by KG7FYI

Stan,

Can you tune the VFO on other bands? If not, you likely have the VFO
locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of
the display. Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle
LOCK on and off.

What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter? You must place a
decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the
ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/30/2017 11:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

>> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND (up),
>> you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
> Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
> something I programmed into the system. I checked the config menu (BND
> MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally programmed
> an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
> so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
> curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
> this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.
>
> I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me in the right
> direction and I'll plow through it.

kevinr@coho.net

Re: NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB

In reply to this post by KG7FYI

I live in Oregon's Northern Coast Range. 2 meters has the same problems
up here as it does in the Southern regions. Because most of the locals
have CB radios it is how we communicate in an emergency. The local
repeaters are dead other than during net times or drive times. If you
really need help CB radio works much better than our amateur bands. We
also use it to avoid the many log trucks.

Please try NVIS on 40 or 80 meters. You'll find you can cover most of
the state with its use. Plus the antennas can be ad hoc - tossed into
trees or even an old fence line.

73 & GL,

Kevin. KD5ONS

On 4/30/2017 8:30 AM, KG7FYI wrote:

> Thanks Bill. Yes it is a very nice area. This is us
> http://www.singingfalls.com
>
> Right now the antenna plan is thus. :
>
> Two towers spanning 380 feet. The foundations are poured and towers
> staged. Working on refurbishing a used KT34XA to current '36XA specs. I
> will have a 2M yagi pointed and our ARES relay tower and a 2M vertical
> for general purposes to access other available bands. I will have a 11M
> yagi up to communicate with unlicensed locals. Most folks have a cb base
> out here. I've got a multiband dipole and a long wire to span the two
> towers. ( I named the towers Sauron and Saruman :) )
>
> 73
> Stan KG7FYI
>
> On 04/30/2017 03:04 AM, Bill W4ZV [via Elecraft] wrote:
>> Hi Stan,
>>
>> Responding to excerpts below:
>>
>> KG7FYI wrote
>> Our very local scenario is filled with mountains and valleys. We
>> are the
>> land of “One Hundred Valleys”. Actually there are thousands of
>> them! 2M
>> is very spotty.
>>
>> Our ARES group requires go bags for all vehicles. Few people but a
>> lot
>> of livestock and gardens here.
>>
>> My only concern was availability of frequency bandwidth. We have a
>> least
>> two Extra Class licenses in the community and one MARS certified.
>> Unfortunately they are many 15+ miles away deep in a valley.
>>
>> Sounds like a beautiful area! You probably know this but NVIS would
>> be a perfect solution for you. 40 meters would be the easiest NVIS
>> antenna (very low dipole) to implement. "Military NVIS communications
>> mostly take place on 2-4 MHz at night and on 5-7 MHz during daylight."
>>
>> Here's a link explaining:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_vertical_incidence_skywave
>>
>> However this would require General Class licenses or higher for voice
>> modes.
>>
>> 73 and Good Luck!
>>
>> Bill W4ZV
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: K3 P3 and KAT500

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm

I believe the below was the problem.

>> If you were on 24 mhz you were on the 12 meter band. NO you cant dial
>> down to 28.4 which is not in the 12 meter band
>>
>> tapping up is not taking you to Ten Meters
>> for some reason you are in 12 meters still
>> it has happened to me too

On 04/30/2017 10:58 AM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:

> Stan,
>
> Can you tune the VFO on other bands? If not, you likely have the VFO
> locked - look for the little 'padlock' icon in the upper right corner of
> the display. Hold the LOCK button to the right of VFO A knob to toggle
> LOCK on and off.
>
> What happens when you do a Direct Frequency Enter? You must place a
> decimal after the MHz digits and when you have entered 28.4 tap the
> ENTER button (lower right of the number keypad).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/30/2017 11:04 AM, KG7FYI wrote:
>
> >> This is very confusing, Stan. Are you saying that if you tap BAND
> (up),
> >> you move from 24 to 28.676 MHz and then can't dial VFO A down to 28.4?
> > Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I can assure you it is not
> > something I programmed into the system. I checked the config menu (BND
> > MAP) and all bands are in. Somehow I may have unintentionally
> programmed
> > an issue into the system. I haven't programmed anything into the system
> > so resetting the defaults should be no loss if all goes well. The
> > curiosity is how I got into this mix in the first place. Included in
> > this email is an image of the front panel that might give a clue.
> >
> > I have the second edition of Fred Cady's book. Point me in the right
> > direction and I'll plow through it.
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Re: NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB

In reply to this post by kevinr@coho.net

On Sun,4/30/2017 11:34 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Plus the antennas can be ad hoc - tossed into trees or even an old
> fence line.

There's a bit of fiction in the belief that antennas must be very low
for NVIS. Fact is that higher is better, up to a quarter wave. The
optimum height for a horizontal antenna for NVIS is a quarter wave
length, and performance declines only slightly (1 dB) up to 3/8
wavelength. High angle radiation for an antenna a quarter wave high is
4dB stronger than for one at one-tenth wavelength high. Thus, optimum
heights are 30 ft for 40M, 60 ft for 80M, and high angle radiation is
only 1dB down for 45 ft on 40M and 90 ft on 80M.

http://k9yc.com/AntennaPlanning.pdf addresses this with a table and
graphs. See Fig 36 and Table 1 on page 11.

73, Jim K9YC

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