K3: Yaesu copies K3's design

[juergen piezo]

Hi

It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture

The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.

Features...

9 mhz IF
Not up conversion
Narrow roofing filters
99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
200 watts, 75 Class A
300 hz roofing filter.
MP and FT5KD version
Bandscope and many other features

 It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.

This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design

All very interesting
...

John



     
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Which Yahoo group???

73 Ross N4RP

juergen piezo wrote:

> Hi
>
> It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture
>
> The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.
>
> Features...
>
> 9 mhz IF
> Not up conversion
> Narrow roofing filters
> 99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
> 200 watts, 75 Class A
> 300 hz roofing filter.
> MP and FT5KD version
> Bandscope and many other features
>
>  It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
> into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.
>
> This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design
>
> All very interesting
> ...
>
> John
>  

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[Philippe Trottet]

Hi,
It makes me remember when Honda came to Motorbike competition in the sixties with a copy of British engine design, but with better steels... and win the Championship.
Certainly Yaesu engineers bought K3's and worked on it but I do not think they can compete with the Elecraft prices.
Considering the size of the Yaesu company, they have huge sunk costs and payroll...unless they will open factories in China, taking the risk to destroy their image.
73's
Philippe A65BI  (F5LTB)
K3#3616
 
 

>>> juergen piezo <[hidden email]> 23-11-2009 11:22 >>>
Hi

It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture

The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.

Features...

9 mhz IF
Not up conversion
Narrow roofing filters
99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
200 watts, 75 Class A
300 hz roofing filter.
MP and FT5KD version
Bandscope and many other features

It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.

This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design

All very interesting
...

John



     
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[juergen piezo]

Hi

The Fox Tango FT-5000 Yahoo group.

Just do a search for the Yaesu FT-5000, the group with a large  number of members.

John

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Philippe Trottet <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Philippe Trottet <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design
> To: [hidden email], "juergen piezo" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:41 PM
>
>  
>  
>  
> Hi,
> It makes me remember when Honda came to Motorbike
> competition in the sixties with a copy of British engine
> design, but with better steels... and win the
> Championship.
> Certainly Yaesu engineers bought K3's and
> worked on it but I do not think they can compete with the
> Elecraft prices.
> Considering the size of the Yaesu company, they have
> huge sunk costs and payroll...unless they will open
> factories in China, taking the risk to destroy their
> image.
> 73's
> Philippe A65BI  (F5LTB)
> K3#3616
>  
>  
>
> >>> juergen piezo <[hidden email]>
> 23-11-2009 11:22 >>>
> Hi
>
> It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the 
> K3's architecture
>
> The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in
> the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some
> serious competition analysis.
>
> Features...
>
> 9 mhz IF
> Not up conversion
> Narrow roofing filters
> 99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @
> 1khz
> 200 watts, 75 Class A
> 300 hz roofing filter.
> MP and FT5KD version
> Bandscope and many other features
>
> It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance
> ideals and put it
> into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web
> page for those interested.
>
> This radio is going to be very popular because it seems
> that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent
> failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu
> FT5K design
>
> All very interesting
> ...
>
> John
>
>
>
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[Julian, G4ILO]

Philippe Trottet wrote

Certainly Yaesu engineers bought K3's and worked on it but I do not think they can compete with the Elecraft prices.

I don't think price matters much to most people in this market. Think of all the people who have said on this list that they would happily pay more for a K3 in a bigger box with more knobs.

[M0XDF]

Certainly matters to me, I reckon a full K3 would work out less or  
about the same as a full FT-2000 (with all the trimmings).
I can't afford to pay much more.
I'm happy with the layout and size too, in fact, the size was a  
deciding factor in fitting the rig onto my desk in my shack, which is  
my home office too.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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On 23 Nov 2009, at 09:30, Julian, G4ILO wrote:

>
>
>
> Philippe Trottet wrote:
>>
>> Certainly Yaesu engineers bought K3's and worked on it but I do not  
>> think
>> they can compete with the Elecraft prices.
>>
>>
> I don't think price matters much to most people in this market.  
> Think of all
> the people who have said on this list that they would happily pay  
> more for a
> K3 in a bigger box with more knobs.

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[AD4C2009]

Just about time japaneese companies wake up and take the K3 architecture,its the only way to improve the receiver performance.
Aparently Icom is coming also with something similar on his new IC-9100 with optional roofing filters of 6 and 3 Khz.
Good,soon we'll have their competition,we'll see how good they are when they be tested by Sherwood/ARRL labs.
 
AD4C
 


"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, juergen piezo <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: juergen piezo <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:22 AM


Hi

It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture

The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.

Features...

9 mhz IF
Not up conversion
Narrow roofing filters
99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
200 watts, 75 Class A
300 hz roofing filter.
MP and FT5KD version
Bandscope and many other features

It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.

This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design

All very interesting
...

John



     
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[Johnny Siu]

During my visit to Osaka earlier this year  I was thoroughly asked about the design principles and my user report of K3.  Japanese manufacturers do give a close eye on K3.

Competition among manufacturers are good to the end users.

73

Johnny VR2XMC




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主題： Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design

Just about time japaneese companies wake up and take the K3 architecture,its the only way to improve the receiver performance.
Aparently Icom is coming also with something similar on his new IC-9100 with optional roofing filters of 6 and 3 Khz.
Good,soon we'll have their competition,we'll see how good they are when they be tested by Sherwood/ARRL labs.
 
AD4C
 


"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, juergen piezo <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: juergen piezo <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:22 AM


Hi

It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture

The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.

Features...

9 mhz IF
Not up conversion
Narrow roofing filters
99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
200 watts, 75 Class A
300 hz roofing filter.
MP and FT5KD version
Bandscope and many other features

It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.

This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design

All very interesting
...

John


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----- Original Message -----
From: "juergen piezo" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:22 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design

> Hi
>
> It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture
>
> The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in the next few
> months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some serious competition analysis.
>
> Features...
>
> 9 mhz IF
> Not up conversion
> Narrow roofing filters
> 99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @ 1khz
> 200 watts, 75 Class A
> 300 hz roofing filter.
> MP and FT5KD version
> Bandscope and many other features
>
> It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
> into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those
> interested.
>
> This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the
> criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in
> the new Yaesu FT5K design
>
> All very interesting
> ...
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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[P.B. Christensen]

> This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the
> criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in
> the new Yaesu FT5K design.

Until the FT-5K is actually released and a whole new set of issues become
apparent.  Based on glossy product brochures, it's all too easy to think
that the "next big thing" is going to be the ideal transceiver -- and it's
probably premature to think that VS  has corrected any shortcomings of the
K3 until the FT-5K's performance is actually measured and its features used
by many operators.

Myself, I'll be impressed if VS can simply deliver an audio stage with
reasonably low distortion and low residual noise.  Let's start there.

Paul, W9AC

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"This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of
the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been
corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design"

Apparent failings!  Huh?  My K3 does not have any failings.  It works exactly as it should with minor issues - very minor to me - and only has gotten better.  John, take what is said here on the reflector with a grain of salt.  The griping and bitching on this reflector does not really reflect the "respect" Elecraft has with its end-users.  Also the griping and bitching on the reflector has made the K3 a better radio. 

The K3 is a dynamic and changing rig.  It is not done being developed yet.  Also, can you talk to the Yaesu designers and software engineers?  I doubt it.  It is not surprising that Y and I are making radios to compete.  They lost and now they have to play catch up.  The Japanese have always copied good designs...and I must say...they have excellent engineers too that have come up with dandy ideas.  That is why I drive a Japanese car. 

Apparent failings- balderdash!  The K3 is not yet done and I doubt it will ever be a perfect radio, but it is a whole lot better than my previous radios by far! 

Do you own a K3?

Lee Buller K0WA

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[AD4C2009]

 "it is it is a whole lot better than my previous radios by far!  

 a whole lot better than my previous radios by far!"
 
No doubt about it,so far after been a jham for 18 years and owning more than 100 radios from the three big companies from JA,up to the range of $3K radios,K3 is and will be my best performance radios.
No complains so far after many FW upgrades,excellent performance I doubt JA's will beat.
Onlything I can tell is that the K3 as well as any yaesu radio don't have a good monitor audio quality,they never show the exact replica of the transmitted audio,only radio I owned that made an exact replica of my Tx audio was the ProIII.
Hopefully someday Elecraft could do the proper changes to fix that not anoying issue.
To all US Elecrafters,have a happy thanksgiving day and don't forget to include in your thanks prayers to be grateful of having a K3.
 
AD4C




"For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Lee Buller <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Lee Buller <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design
To: "juergen piezo" <[hidden email]>, "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:28 PM



"This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of
the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been
corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design"

Apparent failings!  Huh?  My K3 does not have any failings.  It works exactly as it should with minor issues - very minor to me - and only has gotten better.  John, take what is said here on the reflector with a grain of salt.  The griping and bitching on this reflector does not really reflect the "respect" Elecraft has with its end-users.  Also the griping and bitching on the reflector has made the K3 a better radio. 

The K3 is a dynamic and changing rig.  It is not done being developed yet.  Also, can you talk to the Yaesu designers and software engineers?  I doubt it.  It is not surprising that Y and I are making radios to compete.  They lost and now they have to play catch up.  The Japanese have always copied good designs...and I must say...they have excellent engineers too that have come up with dandy ideas.  That is why I drive a Japanese car. 

Apparent failings- balderdash!  The K3 is not yet done and I doubt it will ever be a perfect radio, but it is a whole lot better than my previous radios by far! 

Do you own a K3?

Lee Buller K0WA

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:18 -0800 (PST), juergen piezo
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>Hi
>
>It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture
[snip]
> It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
>into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those interested.
>
>This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu FT5K design
>
>All very interesting
>...
>
>John
[snip]

I wonder if those who buy the FT-5000 will be able to send emails to a
reflector that the CEO's of Vertex Standard will read and post to?

I wonder if Vertex Standard will respond to requests for added
features in their firmware?

I wonder if Vertex Standard will allow REAL HAM field testers to test
firmware changes before being released?

I for one don't think the answer to any of the above will be yes, but
I could be wrong.  That's just my opinion.

Tom, N5GE

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On Nov 23, 2009, at 12:04 AM, juergen piezo wrote:

> Hi
>
> The Fox Tango FT-5000 Yahoo group.
>
> Just do a search for the Yaesu FT-5000, the group with a large  number of members.
>
> John
>
> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Philippe Trottet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> From: Philippe Trottet <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design
>> To: [hidden email], "juergen piezo" <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:41 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> It makes me remember when Honda came to Motorbike
>> competition in the sixties with a copy of British engine
>> design, but with better steels... and win the
>> Championship.
>> Certainly Yaesu engineers bought K3's and
>> worked on it but I do not think they can compete with the
>> Elecraft prices.
>> Considering the size of the Yaesu company, they have
>> huge sunk costs and payroll...unless they will open
>> factories in China, taking the risk to destroy their
>> image.
>> 73's
>> Philippe A65BI  (F5LTB)
>> K3#3616
>>  
>>  
>>
>>>>> juergen piezo <[hidden email]>
>> 23-11-2009 11:22 >>>
>> Hi
>>
>> It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the
>> K3's architecture
>>
>> The K3 will be getting a serious  run for its money in
>> the next few months. Yaesu looks like it has  done some
>> serious competition analysis.
>>
>> Features...
>>
>> 9 mhz IF
>> Not up conversion
>> Narrow roofing filters
>> 99 db 3rd dynamic range +25dbm 3rd order intercept point @
>> 1khz
>> 200 watts, 75 Class A
>> 300 hz roofing filter.
>> MP and FT5KD version
>> Bandscope and many other features
>>
>> It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance
>> ideals and put it
>> into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web
>> page for those interested.
>>
>> This radio is going to be very popular because it seems
>> that a lot of the criticism of the K3's  apparent
>> failings  seem to have been corrected in the new Yaesu
>> FT5K design
>>
>> All very interesting
>> ...
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Hector Padron <[hidden email]> wrote:
Just about time japaneese(sic) companies wake up and take the K3 architecture,its the only way to improve the receiver performance.

Well, actually it isn't. Furthermore, forgive me, but the K3 architecture isn't really new; elderly equipment has used down-conversion to an 8 to 9 MHz first i-f, with a second conversion to a lower i-f, where the ultimate selectivity is achieved, for years.

The trend to up-conversion began when the ideas of general coverage receivers incorporated into ham-band transceivers and synthesized frequency control became popular. These are more easily achieved in the up-conversion
 architecture. This is simply one engineering approach, that like most engineering has tradeoffs, which doesn't make it bad engineering.

I believe (and I'm guessing here) that the Elecraft designers looked at the tradeoffs and returned to an older architecture but with more modern signal processing.

Stripped to its essence the K3 receiver is triple-conversion; a down-conversion to 8.3 MHz, a second conversion to 15 KHz and a last conversion to audio. Hardly anything new about this.

Elecraft has also chosen to place as much selectivity as possible as close to the antenna as possible, which has been conventional wisdom for years.  Furthermore, it can be argued that the banks of pricy crystal filters needed to "protect" subsequent stages in the receiver are throwback technology and not cutting edge at all.

Before you ask, yes, I do own a K3 and it is a remarkable piece of engineering, but for goodness sake, it's just a radio.





     
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Vertex Standard is now part of Motorola which brings a lot to the table from the wireless and commercial radio side.

73 de W3OU Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Radio Amateur N5GE <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design


On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:18 -0800 (PST), juergen piezo
[hidden email]> wrote:
>Hi

It looks like Yaesus new  FT5000 has copied the  K3's architecture
snip]
 It looks like Yaesu have taken the K3's performance ideals and put it
into a bigger box. The brochure is on the yahoo groups web page for those
nterested.

This radio is going to be very popular because it seems that a lot of the
riticism of the K3's  apparent failings  seem to have been corrected in the new
aesu FT5K design

All very interesting
...

John
snip]
I wonder if those who buy the FT-5000 will be able to send emails to a
eflector that the CEO's of Vertex Standard will read and post to?
I wonder if Vertex Standard will respond to requests for added
eatures in their firmware?
I wonder if Vertex Standard will allow REAL HAM field testers to test
irmware changes before being released?
I for one don't think the answer to any of the above will be yes, but
 could be wrong.  That's just my opinion.
Tom, N5GE
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[Richard Squire - HB9ANM]

I am amazed at the number of things that can be said on this reflector about another brand's radio nobody owns...

The K3 is and remains my radio. And if anyone thinks the Japanese copied the 9 MHz IF from Elecraft, let me mention that my Ten-Tec Omni-D had the same concept some 30 years ago... Of course, no DSP. Did Yaesu copy the Omni-D? Of course not. Only, the big JA's at last realized that you cannot have narrow roofing filters with an IF around 70 MHz!

And they failed to "copy" some of the K3's features:

The AC supply excludes any mobile operation and restricts portable operation to places where such power is available. I like to work portable from my car (with a separate battery) from any convenient site.

No 100 W version? That must be the reason – those MosFETs need some 50 V... But with 200 W, who is going to notice the 3 dB difference (1/2 S-unit) on his S Meter?

And how about a 2nd RX? Should a rig cost more than $ 10,000 to offer this feature?
K3 owners know the answer.

If some people (not) in the know think the FT5K will be priced at some $ 5,000, then you can afford a K3 and a few accessories to go with it (e.g. the W2...).

The K3 is still "The Only Affordable – and Portable – Elite Class Transceiver"!

73
Richard

[Barry N1EU]

Richard Squire - HB9ANM wrote

And how about a 2nd RX? Should a rig cost more than $ 10,000 to offer this feature?

After looking at http://www.kc8qvo.com/FTDX5000_Zfold_medium.pdf, it seems clear that the FT-5000 does have a subreceiver.  Unfortunately, the text and photos seem to imply that the subreceiver is NOT identical to the main receiver (most probably an inferior upconverted rx), which was a fundamental flaw of the Ten-Tec Orion.

73,
Barry N1EU

[Grant Youngman]

On Nov 23, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Richard Squire - HB9ANM wrote:

>
> I am amazed at the number of things that can be said on this reflector about
> another brand's radio nobody owns...


Agreed.  The question is why do we care at all?  Are we really just so ignorant/stupid/compulsive/psychotic that we fall for whatever the latest glossy trifold from across the western pond touts (or even, heaven forbid, the real thing)?  Or fall for that one or two more crummy dB of marketing crappola or (in this case at least)  44 more push button controls and rotary controls (loosely)?   Frankly, I hope the K4 or whatever it is doesn't go down that particular rat hole.   Or are we just afraid that if we don't have whatever the masses (or even the experts) think is the cats meow du jour that our scores (well, your scores, since I just turn my fine k3 off during contests) will suffer?

Mercy.  Who gives a flip what the ugly black box is?  :-)

Grant/NQ5T
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[w7aqk]

Just curious--is it true the FT-5000 only has one receiver?  In the brochure
I see multiple AF and RF gain controls, which suggest to me there is a 2nd
RX.  They do, however, seem to infer that only the "main RX" can be loaded
with narrow roofing filters.  And where did the "$10,000" price tag come
from?  I haven't seen anything about price, but I bet it's more than a
K3--by a good bit too.

Anyway, there's way too much speculating going on about a radio we don't
really know much about yet.  I'm a long way from being concerned that my K3
is about to be "trumped" by another manufacturer!  And "concern" isn't even
the right word probably.  The competition would probably be a good thing in
the long run.

Dave W7AQK


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Squire - HB9ANM" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Yaesu copies K3's design

>
> I am amazed at the number of things that can be said on this reflector
> about
> another brand's radio nobody owns...
>
> The K3 is and remains my radio. And if anyone thinks the Japanese copied
> the
> 9 MHz IF from Elecraft, let me mention that my Ten-Tec Omni-D had the same
> concept some 30 years ago... Of course, no DSP. Did Yaesu copy the Omni-D?
> Of course not. Only, the big JA's at last realized that you cannot have
> narrow roofing filters with an IF around 70 MHz!
>
> And they failed to "copy" some of the K3's features:
>
> The AC supply excludes any mobile operation and restricts portable
> operation
> to places where such power is available. I like to work portable from my
> car
> (with a separate battery) from any convenient site.
>
> No 100 W version? That must be the reason – those MosFETs need some 50
> V...
> But with 200 W, who is going to notice the 3 dB difference (1/2 S-unit) on
> his S Meter?
>
> And how about a 2nd RX? Should a rig cost more than $ 10,000 to offer this
> feature?
> K3 owners know the answer.
>
> If some people (not) in the know think the FT5K will be priced at some $
> 5,000, then you can afford a K3 and a few accessories to go with it (e.g.
> the W2...).
>
> The K3 is still "The Only Affordable – and Portable – Elite Class
> Transceiver"!
>
> 73
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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