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Ray G3XLG
Hi

I have a few queries re operating my new K3/100  (# 6231). I am using it
with the P3 + Microham MK II for all modes - CW, SSB, RTTY & PSK31. It also
has the KAT3 ant tuner. I am in a monthly series of UK 80 metre contests
where each week you use a different mode but I have some problems:-

 

Qu. 1  For CW, whilst holding down the Band switch does indeed bring QSK
onto the LED screen, it does not in fact switch full break in on, & the rig
remains at semi break in. What else do I need to do to get full QSK?

 

Qu.2  On 80 metres SSB, I can only get USB displayed & even using the
Reverse switch does not bring in LSB. Could this be related to me also using
PSK on 80M too? There is no trouble with USB/LSB on other bands.

 

Qu.3  RTTY operates fine on 80 metres using the FSK-D mode, but what is the
best method for PSK? Is it the PSK-D mode or the DATA A mode, as so far, I'm
not having much success setting up either of them?

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

73 de Ray, G3XLG

 

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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Ray,

In answer to Qu3, I use DATA-A for PSK31 and it works like a dream.  I
simply tune the band, put the rig in Data mode and set it to DATA-A, turn
down my output power to about 20 or 25 watts, and away I go.  The question
I would have for you is, what software are you using to run PSK31?  Setup
at the software level is going to vary based on the individual application
used.

Hope this helps some.

73,

--Ian
 Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Ray Spreadbury <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a few queries re operating my new K3/100  (# 6231). I am using it
> with the P3 + Microham MK II for all modes - CW, SSB, RTTY & PSK31. It also
> has the KAT3 ant tuner. I am in a monthly series of UK 80 metre contests
> where each week you use a different mode but I have some problems:-
>
>
>
> Qu. 1  For CW, whilst holding down the Band switch does indeed bring QSK
> onto the LED screen, it does not in fact switch full break in on, & the rig
> remains at semi break in. What else do I need to do to get full QSK?
>
>
>
> Qu.2  On 80 metres SSB, I can only get USB displayed & even using the
> Reverse switch does not bring in LSB. Could this be related to me also
> using
> PSK on 80M too? There is no trouble with USB/LSB on other bands.
>
>
>
> Qu.3  RTTY operates fine on 80 metres using the FSK-D mode, but what is the
> best method for PSK? Is it the PSK-D mode or the DATA A mode, as so far,
> I'm
> not having much success setting up either of them?
>
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
>
>
> 73 de Ray, G3XLG
>
>
>
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Vic Rosenthal
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Regarding Q1 and Q2, this is absolutely not how the K3 is expected to work. If the
Microham unit (with which I am not familiar) activates PTT, then that could explain why
you are not getting full QSK. I suggest completely disconnecting it and see if you still
have these problems. If so, contact <[hidden email]>.

On 3/6/2012 3:27 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a few queries re operating my new K3/100  (# 6231). I am using it
> with the P3 + Microham MK II for all modes - CW, SSB, RTTY&  PSK31. It also
> has the KAT3 ant tuner. I am in a monthly series of UK 80 metre contests
> where each week you use a different mode but I have some problems:-
>
>
>
> Qu. 1  For CW, whilst holding down the Band switch does indeed bring QSK
> onto the LED screen, it does not in fact switch full break in on,&  the rig
> remains at semi break in. What else do I need to do to get full QSK?
>
>
>
> Qu.2  On 80 metres SSB, I can only get USB displayed&  even using the
> Reverse switch does not bring in LSB. Could this be related to me also using
> PSK on 80M too? There is no trouble with USB/LSB on other bands.
>
>
>
> Qu.3  RTTY operates fine on 80 metres using the FSK-D mode, but what is the
> best method for PSK? Is it the PSK-D mode or the DATA A mode, as so far, I'm
> not having much success setting up either of them?
>
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated
>
>
>
> 73 de Ray, G3XLG
>
>
>
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

On 3/6/2012 11:36 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote:
> Regarding Q1 and Q2, this is absolutely not how the K3 is expected
> to work. If the Microham unit (with which I am not familiar)
> activates PTT, then that could explain why you are not getting full
> QSK.

All of the microHAM interfaces can be configured for either PTT in CW
or QSK.  That selection is generally made on the PTT tab in microHAM
Router.

The microHAM interface and microHAM Router software would have no part
in any inability to select LSB on 80 meters.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/6/2012 11:36 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote:

> Regarding Q1 and Q2, this is absolutely not how the K3 is expected to work. If the
> Microham unit (with which I am not familiar) activates PTT, then that could explain why
> you are not getting full QSK. I suggest completely disconnecting it and see if you still
> have these problems. If so, contact<[hidden email]>.
>
> On 3/6/2012 3:27 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a few queries re operating my new K3/100  (# 6231). I am using it
>> with the P3 + Microham MK II for all modes - CW, SSB, RTTY&   PSK31. It also
>> has the KAT3 ant tuner. I am in a monthly series of UK 80 metre contests
>> where each week you use a different mode but I have some problems:-
>>
>>
>>
>> Qu. 1  For CW, whilst holding down the Band switch does indeed bring QSK
>> onto the LED screen, it does not in fact switch full break in on,&   the rig
>> remains at semi break in. What else do I need to do to get full QSK?
>>
>>
>>
>> Qu.2  On 80 metres SSB, I can only get USB displayed&   even using the
>> Reverse switch does not bring in LSB. Could this be related to me also using
>> PSK on 80M too? There is no trouble with USB/LSB on other bands.
>>
>>
>>
>> Qu.3  RTTY operates fine on 80 metres using the FSK-D mode, but what is the
>> best method for PSK? Is it the PSK-D mode or the DATA A mode, as so far, I'm
>> not having much success setting up either of them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 de Ray, G3XLG
>>
>>
>>
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Richard Ferch
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Re Qu. 1: Note that QSK requires that both the VOX and the QSK
indicators be activated; if QSK is visible on the K3's display but VOX
is not, QSK will not work. Hold the left end of the band switch for VOX
and the right end for QSK. Also, do you have PTT enabled in the microHam
Router? You will have to disable PTT in the microHam Router to allow
either semi-breakin or full breakin to work.

Re Qu. 2: Which switch are you using for Reverse? The mode reverse
switch is labelled ALT; it is activated by holding the left end of the
mode switch. The switch labelled REV between A/B and A>B is actually a
momentary-contact version of A/B. If the ALT switch is not switching
between USB and LSB, then you might have a hardware problem with the switch.

Re Qu. 3: The only programs I know of that can use PSK D are the K3
Utility and G4ILO's KComm. The vast majority of PSK31 programs (Digipan,
DM780, Fldigi, MixW, MMVARI, WinWarbler, and many others) only work with
an audio mode such as DATA A. With the K3 in DATA A, check that MAIN:MIC
SEL is set to LINE IN (this is remembered per-mode, so this won't upset
your SSB settings), then use the K3's MIC control to adjust the Line In
level. Put the K3's meter in ALC mode and adjust the Line In level so
that the ALC meter reads 4-5 bars on an idling PSK31 signal. Use the PWR
control to set power (use no more than 50 watts for good linearity). The
settings that work in DATA A for PSK31 will also work in AFSK A for
RTTY, except that you don't need to worry about non-linearity and you
can run the power up to 100 watts for RTTY.

73,
Rich VE3KI

Ray, G3XLG wrote:

> I have a few queries re operating my new K3/100  (# 6231). I am using it
> with the P3 + Microham MK II for all modes - CW, SSB, RTTY & PSK31. It also
> has the KAT3 ant tuner. I am in a monthly series of UK 80 metre contests
> where each week you use a different mode but I have some problems:-
>
>
>
> Qu. 1  For CW, whilst holding down the Band switch does indeed bring QSK
> onto the LED screen, it does not in fact switch full break in on, & the rig
> remains at semi break in. What else do I need to do to get full QSK?
>
>
>
> Qu.2  On 80 metres SSB, I can only get USB displayed & even using the
> Reverse switch does not bring in LSB. Could this be related to me also using
> PSK on 80M too? There is no trouble with USB/LSB on other bands.
>
>
>
> Qu.3  RTTY operates fine on 80 metres using the FSK-D mode, but what is the
> best method for PSK? Is it the PSK-D mode or the DATA A mode, as so far, I'm
> not having much success setting up either of them?
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Rick Prather-2
If you happen to be using a Mac then RUMlog will use the FSK-D mode for transmitting either the K3 or CocoaModem for receiving RTTY.  

Works slick and eliminates messing with audio levels.

Rick
K6LE



On 3/6/2012, at 9:21 , Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Re Qu. 3: The only programs I know of that can use PSK D are the K3
> Utility and G4ILO's KComm.
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Richard Ferch
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Rick, the question and answer you quoted were talking about PSK D, not
FSK D. It's easy to find software that will work with FSK D; PSK D is a
different story.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Rick K6LE wrote:

> If you happen to be using a Mac then RUMlog will use the FSK-D mode for transmitting either the K3 or CocoaModem for receiving RTTY.
>
> Works slick and eliminates messing with audio levels.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
>
>
> On 3/6/2012, at 9:21 , Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Re Qu. 3: The only programs I know of that can use PSK D are the K3
>> Utility and G4ILO's KComm.
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Rick Prather-2
True, I was thinking FSK D when I made that post but which software is there besides KComm and the K3 utility that  use FSK-D?

I haven't run across them yet.  (not that I've been looking much since I am happy with RUMlog on the Mac.)

Rick
K6LE



On 3/6/2012, at 5:18 , Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rick, the question and answer you quoted were talking about PSK D, not
> FSK D. It's easy to find software that will work with FSK D; PSK D is a
> different story.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> Rick K6LE wrote:
>
>> If you happen to be using a Mac then RUMlog will use the FSK-D mode for transmitting either the K3 or CocoaModem for receiving RTTY.
>>
>> Works slick and eliminates messing with audio levels.
>>
>> Rick
>> K6LE
>>
>>

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Rick Prather-2
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BTW, Rich,

When I talk about RUMlog (and the K3 utility) using FSK-D I am talking about using it via the serial connection not by a separate FSK connection.  

The ability to use the internal FSK-D generator without an FSK interface is what I think is unique.  I haven't found a mainstream Windows RTTY program that does that.

But, like I said, I haven't looked beyond the big two or three.

Cheers,

Rick
K6LE

On 3/6/2012, at 5:18 , Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rick, the question and answer you quoted were talking about PSK D, not
> FSK D. It's easy to find software that will work with FSK D; PSK D is a
> different story.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>

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Richard Ferch
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Hi Rick,

You're right about that. There is a lot of RTTY software that will key
the K3 in FSK D using the old-fashioned hardware method, the same as you
would use with any radio other than the K3 (or KX3). In fact, the only
popular Windows RTTY software that will not do this is software that
won't do FSK RTTY at all, i.e. HRD(DM780) and Fldigi. But if you want to
do FSK using the K3's radio control serial connection only, without a
separate FSK keying connection, you're very limited in your choice of
software.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Rick K6LE wrote:

> When I talk about RUMlog (and the K3 utility) using FSK-D I am talking about using it \
> via the serial connection not by a separate FSK connection.
>
> The ability to use the internal FSK-D generator without an FSK interface is what I \
> think is unique.  I haven't found a mainstream Windows RTTY program that does that.
>
> But, like I said, I haven't looked beyond the big two or three.
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Bill Clarke
Let me get this straight:  a SignaLink USB box plugged into the K3,
software is DigiPan, mode is USB, and power reduced to 25 Watts.  
Acceptable?

This is what I have used on other rigs for several years with fine
success. What I see here regarding PSK and the K3 seems to go over my
head. What am I missing?

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Ray G3XLG
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Firstly a big thankyou for all the advice from Ian, Vic,Joe,Richard, Rick, ... plus Tony & Dave(both off list).

Re Qu. 1 QSK, I was not switching on the VOX at the same time, first mistake!

Re Qu. 2 USB/LSB, I was not trying to use the ALT switch but rather the REVerse switch, second mistake!

Re QU. 3 To use the PSK-D or DATA-A modes for PSK31?

It seems the preferred way to go is with the DATA-A mode so I will try & set that up using the MicrokeyerII. The software I use on the laptop is N1MM for Contests with built in MMTTY (for RTTY) & MVARI (for PSK) & I'm just changing over my normal logging software to DXLab.

regards
Ray, G3XLG
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Richard Ferch
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Yes, this will work fine. Just make sure to turn EQ and compression off
and set the output of the SignaLink and the K3's Line In level such that
you see 4-5 bars on the K3's ALC meter. Do not do what you probably did
with other rigs and try to keep the ALC meter from indicating anything
at all - that will not work with the K3.

However, there is a better alternative to using USB mode, and that is
DATA A. DATA A defaults to using Line In instead of Mic, and switches
the front-panel Mic gain control to a Line In level control - that way
your settings for data modes stay independent of your mic gain settings
for SSB - and DATA A also disables TX and RX EQ and compression, so you
don't have to remember to change settings between SSB and digital.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Bill W2BLC wrote:

> Let me get this straight:  a SignaLink USB box plugged into the K3,
> software is DigiPan, mode is USB, and power reduced to 25 Watts.
> Acceptable?

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Ray G3XLG
Richard
I tried using DATA-A as you advised:

"With the K3 in DATA A, check that MAIN:MIC
SEL is set to LINE IN (this is remembered per-mode, so this won't upset
your SSB settings), then use the K3's MIC control to adjust the Line In
level. Put the K3's meter in ALC mode and adjust the Line In level so
that the ALC meter reads 4-5 bars on an idling PSK31 signal. Use the PWR
control to set power (use no more than 50 watts for good linearity). The
settings that work in DATA A for PSK31 will also work in AFSK A for
RTTY, except that you don't need to worry about non-linearity and you
can run the power up to 100 watts for RTTY.

73,
Rich VE3KI

However whilst MVARI in N1MM decodes PSK31 signals fine, when i try to transmit I get no power output & instead I get a couple of error messages on the K3 - Error PTT , Error KEY which in the K3 manual saysits usually caused by an external device (the MicroHAM MKII?) shorting KEY or PTT to ground. I've obviously got something setup wrong in either N1MM config or in the MKII router. Any ideas please?
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Don Wilhelm-4
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Bill,

Plug the SignaLink to give line level out instead of mic level, then
plug the SignaLink audio lines into the K3 Line In and Line Out.  Then
use DATA A (with the input set to LINE IN in the menu) instead of SSB
(no need to switch between the mic and SignaLink).  It just makes things
a lot easier switching between SSB and data modes.

And don't forget that the K3 audio input needs to be driven to 4 bars
with the 5th blinking on the ALC meter and set the power knob to the
power desired.  Ignore the traditional advice for data modes about
setting the power to full and using the audio level to set your power -
the K3 (also K2) does not work well that way.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/7/2012 6:44 AM, Bill wrote:
> Let me get this straight:  a SignaLink USB box plugged into the K3,
> software is DigiPan, mode is USB, and power reduced to 25 Watts.
> Acceptable?
>
> This is what I have used on other rigs for several years with fine
> success. What I see here regarding PSK and the K3 seems to go over my
> head. What am I missing?
>
> Bill W2BLC
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Don Wilhelm-4
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Ray,

Check your CONFIG: PTT -- KEY menu entry and set it to OFF -- OFF then
use VOX when using Data modes.
Yes it is likely that the computer and/or MicroHam is setting either DRT
or RTS (or both) on.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/7/2012 8:23 AM, Ray G3XLG wrote:

> However whilst MVARI in N1MM decodes PSK31 signals fine, when i try to
> transmit I get no power output&  instead I get a couple of error messages on
> the K3 - Error PTT , Error KEY which in the K3 manual saysits usually caused
> by an external device (the MicroHAM MKII?) shorting KEY or PTT to ground.
> I've obviously got something setup wrong in either N1MM config or in the
> MKII router. Any ideas please?
> Ray, G3XLG
>
>
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Bill Clarke
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OK - line-in and line-out .... git it. Much easier to use. Now I understand.

Will order cable and hook it to the K3.

Thanks - this group is great!

Bill W2BLC


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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
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 > Re QU. 3 To use the PSK-D or DATA-A modes for PSK31?
 >
> It seems the preferred way to go is with the DATA-A mode so I will
> try & set that up using the MicrokeyerII. The software I use on the
> laptop is N1MM for Contests with built in MMTTY (for RTTY)& MVARI
> (for PSK)& I'm just changing over my normal logging software to
> DXLab.

See the example configurations for both N1MM Logger and DXLab Suite
available through Help | Download Documents in microHAM Router or
online at www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html.  Both configurations have
been well tested.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 3/7/2012 7:08 AM, Ray G3XLG wrote:

> Firstly a big thankyou for all the advice from Ian, Vic,Joe,Richard, Rick,
> ... plus Tony&  Dave(both off list).
>
> Re Qu. 1 QSK, I was not switching on the VOX at the same time, first
> mistake!
>
> Re Qu. 2 USB/LSB, I was not trying to use the ALT switch but rather the
> REVerse switch, second mistake!
>
> Re QU. 3 To use the PSK-D or DATA-A modes for PSK31?
>
> It seems the preferred way to go is with the DATA-A mode so I will try&  set
> that up using the MicrokeyerII. The software I use on the laptop is N1MM for
> Contests with built in MMTTY (for RTTY)&  MVARI (for PSK)&  I'm just
> changing over my normal logging software to DXLab.
>
> regards
> Ray, G3XLG
>
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Ray G3XLG
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Don
They were already set to OFF OFF in CONFIG: PTT--KEY, enabled VOX but still
same result - no power output!
Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 07 March 2012 13:39
To: Ray G3XLG
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 a few new user questions

Ray,

Check your CONFIG: PTT -- KEY menu entry and set it to OFF -- OFF then use
VOX when using Data modes.
Yes it is likely that the computer and/or MicroHam is setting either DRT or
RTS (or both) on.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/7/2012 8:23 AM, Ray G3XLG wrote:
> However whilst MVARI in N1MM decodes PSK31 signals fine, when i try to
> transmit I get no power output&  instead I get a couple of error
> messages on the K3 - Error PTT , Error KEY which in the K3 manual
> saysits usually caused by an external device (the MicroHAM MKII?) shorting
KEY or PTT to ground.
> I've obviously got something setup wrong in either N1MM config or in
> the MKII router. Any ideas please?
> Ray, G3XLG
>
>
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Re: K3 a few new user questions

Phil Hystad-3
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I use the Signalink with the K3 and I found that I had to have a larger line level output from the Signalink.  Inside the Signalink is a jumper that allows you to switch to a higher voltage.  Before I did this, the level was not high enough to drive the K3.  I don't know if this is a universal problem or something that merely worked for me in my configuration.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Mar 7, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote:

> Don
> They were already set to OFF OFF in CONFIG: PTT--KEY, enabled VOX but still
> same result - no power output!
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 07 March 2012 13:39
> To: Ray G3XLG
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 a few new user questions
>
> Ray,
>
> Check your CONFIG: PTT -- KEY menu entry and set it to OFF -- OFF then use
> VOX when using Data modes.
> Yes it is likely that the computer and/or MicroHam is setting either DRT or
> RTS (or both) on.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/7/2012 8:23 AM, Ray G3XLG wrote:
>> However whilst MVARI in N1MM decodes PSK31 signals fine, when i try to
>> transmit I get no power output&  instead I get a couple of error
>> messages on the K3 - Error PTT , Error KEY which in the K3 manual
>> saysits usually caused by an external device (the MicroHAM MKII?) shorting
> KEY or PTT to ground.
>> I've obviously got something setup wrong in either N1MM config or in
>> the MKII router. Any ideas please?
>> Ray, G3XLG
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Ray G3XLG
>>
>
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