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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Philippe Trottet
Dear Eric and Wayne,
Considering all improvements done in 2009 it would be useful to update the K3 user guide in order to have quick acces to all new parameters easily.
 
I take the oportunity to wish a merry Xmas and a very happy New Year 2010 to both of you and your really supportive team, all "Elecrafters", especially in good health, and that all your wishes come true.
Best 73's
Philippe  
A65BI (F5LTB)...ex 9Q1TB & many exotic ones
 
K3#3616
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Hi all,

As you probably know, we keep a list of firmware features and  
improvements to be added as time permits. Many of the most-requested  
changes were made over the past several months, keeping pace with the  
demands of the fall/winter contest season. (A few that come to mind:  
switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR interaction with  
PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR, lockable transmit controls,  
and many enhanced remote-control commands.)

As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list  
based on your input. Items already on the list have priority, of  
course, but this is a great opportunity to let us know what else is  
missing or could be improved. Our goal is to make the K3 as easy to  
use as possible, while providing the advanced features you need for  
specific operating situations.

We're also planning a renewed effort to assist application software  
developers. If your ideas for improvements involve changes to both K3  
firmware and a favorite application, we'll pass it along to the  
developers and work with them closely.

We're making great progress on the P3 Panadapter and other new  
products. There will be some surprises in 2010 :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Gary Bartlett VE1RGB
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I think it was all a sincere but clever ruse by Elecraft to introduce this
topic right before Christmas.  Keeps us all busy dreaming up things to do
and debating the merits amongst ourselves, meanwhile leaving them alone to
enjoy a couple of days off.  After Christmas, they come back and pick up the
winner improvement ideas and start a new list.

Gary, VE1RGB

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Boy....the dam and broke....  Spent the lats 45 minutes reading all this
stuff.


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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Stewart Baker
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Pretty pleased with the way my K3 works. The only improvements
which come immediately to mind concern the memories.

1) The ability to create, edit and store all K3 memory parameters
on a computer and then upload them to my K3.

2) Some form of memory protection to prevent accidental
overwriting of the memories.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

David Pratt
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I do not use headphones and therefore have the monitor at zero so as not
to cause feedback, but it would be nice to hear what's going on when
sending from the DVR. Could the MON be set to a pre-set level when
transmitting from the DVR memory?

(Not sure whether that is included in the following, Wayne. I know it
was on the list at one time but could have fallen by the wayside.)

In a recent message, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>(A few that come to mind:
>switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR interaction with
>PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR, lockable transmit controls,
>and many enhanced remote-control commands.)

73
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David G4DMP
Leeds, England, UK
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Jan Erik Holm
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This is what I like to see:

1. Pritty much no more features just refine and work
    on what´s already there, refine the design.

2. Better S-meter resolution, 5 dB not good enough.

3. Possibility to adjust CW keyed envelope rise and
    fall time. Think it´s 5 ms now so lets say 5 - 8 ms
    adjustable. IMO keying is "too hard" and the result
    is "mild" key clicks.

4. I like to see a Service Manual.

73 and merry xmas to the whole Elecraft gang / Jim SM2EKM

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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Stewart Baker
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The ability to transmit AM thru the FM crystal filter.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

juergen piezo

Hi

We talking firmware only?

Better S-meter resolution maybe a Dbm or Db microvolt scale for field strength measurements

S-meter peak memories - calculates difference for antenna comparisons

Averaging  S-meter readings with sampling time setting

Transmit Double sideband suppressed carrier

ISB

Tuning pulser with variable duty cycle(I know you can do it on CW)

VU meter for TX audio settings

White noise generator

Sweeping audio oscillator

Predistortion for better IMD on TX

Class A bias or variable bias

EQ per mode

Fast selection of EQ on TX,  maybe 2 selections DX and normal

High boost for the TX audio like  the Kenwoods have

Split band speech processing

Syllabic SSB squelch

Variable TX bandwidth like the Icom 756 PRO

Wide and narrow notch filter

APF filter

Disable speech processor on play back from DVR

10 minute QSO timer

Bug keying

"MY BANDS" enables you set your own bands ie MARS or MARINE or AERONAUTICAL

Remote control like the TS480

Power output control in  Db steps  maybe 1, 2 or 3db

QRP power set  activation for MAX power of 5 watts

Beacon MODE like the California DX associations beacon format

Lock the internal RTC to the TXCO

SELCALL on HF this would be a first(dont know if its legal)

Excuse me if many of these things are not technically possible. I am just dreaming!

John








     
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Zoli Pitman HA1AG-2
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Barry asked for the ability to display AGC parameters.  These values are
currently read by accessing menus and reading them from the VFO A display
area.  During that menu access, another application might send an UP or DN
command, which could change one of the AGC parameters.  That's my only
point.  New single-command queries could solve that particular issue.
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exactly. Maybe u want to block CAT-sourced commands the while menu is open. (or at least some of them - think on remote operation, negative testing)

interesting thread. tnx.

73,

zoli ha1ag



     
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Barry N1EU
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N2TK wrote
Is there any way to setup the K3 utility through LP-Bridge to send macros
for the utility program to the K3 without having to close LP-Bridge then
starting the K3 utility program? I understand that you have to close the
LP-Bridge for downloading updates.
Why don't you just use LP-Bridge's "disconnect" option instead of closing LP-Bridge?

73 & happy holidays,
Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Larry - K2GN
A ot of good stuff going on the list.
One thing I'm puzzled about is the amount of external control people are
asking for.
I haven't seen anything that can't be done with existing software.
Programs like N1MM for contest allows you to sent macros to the K3.
A real great day to dat program is he "Commander" module of DXLabs Suite.
Here's my setup.
I connect to the K3 via my microHAM Keyer 2R+ using LP-Bridge(Great program,
thanks Larry)
LP-B stands between the K3 and all other software. LP-B creats a "virtual"
K3 in its memory.
It knows the status of the K3 at all times.
Through the use of "Virtual" COM Ports, LP-B connects other programs to the
virtual K3 and passes only the necessary commands to the K3.
I connect DXLabs' Command, CWSkimmer to a virtual COM port in LP-B. I've
even had N1MM connected at the same time.  The Command has a lot of standard
front panel stuff already programmed for the K3 and it has 16 programable
buttons to create macros with and 8 programable sliders for variable control
of thing like audio, etc.
I would suggest that those the want software control of the K3 look into
these programs.
The best part of this is they are ALL  FREE!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention that I also can connect the K3 UTIL and EASY-K3 when
running the above setup!!!

Anybody want to discus this setup with me, please drop a line.

Happy Holidays.

de K2GN/Larry
K3 S/N 3278



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>
>
> N2TK wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way to setup the K3 utility through LP-Bridge to send macros
>> for the utility program to the K3 without having to close LP-Bridge then
>> starting the K3 utility program? I understand that you have to close the
>> LP-Bridge for downloading updates.
>>
>
> Why don't you just use LP-Bridge's "disconnect" option instead of closing
> LP-Bridge?
>
> 73 & happy holidays,
> Barry N1EU
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Guy, K2AV
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1. Fix it so spot pitch does not mute the RX.  Makes it hard to
adjustin a busy contest. At a multi, different CW ops have different
tone centers.  Folks at NY4A set it anywhere from 450 to 650. Comes
into play when handing off a run to another op for a bathroom break.
Hit CQ, hand the headsets and jump out of the chair.  If I'm taking
over, I may be stuck with that 650 for a while because it mutes on RX
and you can't change it on TX.

2. Make it possible to tune RX while changing NR parameters, currently
VFO A is frozen even though it's not used for setting parms.

3a. Based on a saved RF gain for 50 uV cal signal, allow an AFV
reading mode that is in dBm, with a selectable peak retain mode. This
should not require resynching to 50uV every time, and be remembered.
KRX3 should have its own independent setting. Based upon RF gain
calibration, all that should be needed is front panel settings to be
in a routine range.

3b. Assuming 3a. was done, if two RX and diversity mode is on, display
AFV both signals in a differential mode for concise A/B testing.

3c. Assuming 3a. and 3b. were done, allow for time averaging and peak
save of values. Suggest AGC fast is no time averaging, AGC slow is
time averaging.  CW mode is no peak save, SSB mode is peak save. Data
mode shows signal to noise instead of signal.

4. When AGC is off, use the limiter settings to set a very high
intercept "defensive AGC" with response just slow enough to avoid
distortion when a loud signal pops in. Value of lim sets how loud the
signal will get before defensive AGC intercepts, but otherwise RF gain
sets the chain.

5. Data from 3a-c viewable on a horizontal scrolling display on P3
calibrated in dBm. This would include showing both signals from
diversity mode.

6. Fix internal speaker microphonic issue.

7. Add Ultimatic to Iambic A&B paddle modes.

This is not a long list of complaints, just stuff that to my mind
would add to its capabilities.

K3 is best rig I have ever had, by far.

73, Guy.
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Sam Carson
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For us microwavers, who find the K3 to be the best microwave IF rig, the
ability to lock the K3 to a 10 MHz reference is very important. Microwave
receiver bandwidths are getting smaller and an insignificant frequency error
at HF results in an error of hundreds of kilohertz if not megahertz at
microwave frequencies.

Sam Carson
K4SOC
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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Barry N1EU
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wayne burdick wrote
As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list  
based on your input. Items already on the list have priority, of  
course, but this is a great opportunity to let us know what else is  
missing or could be improved. Our goal is to make the K3 as easy to  
use as possible, while providing the advanced features you need for  
specific operating situations.
Give some attention to the very useful AF Limiter firmware and implement a "soft clipping" algorithm.

73,
Barry N1EU
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KE3C
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I would like to see the K3 have advanced serial command set that would allow the programmer to send the commands with an ID that would be returned when the K3 responds.  That would allow Larry to modify LP Bridge so that it could route the appropriate response to the appropriate sender without having to poll the radio continuously.  I would also like to see the serial port send a broadcast when user changes settings on the radio.  That would allow the programmer writing the desktop application to get updates from the K3 without having to poll the radio continuously.  So it would be like a serial port event being raised or interrupt being fired.

I would be willing to help with this effort, although I don't have a lot of time to devote.

I would also love to see a ethernet port on the K3 instead of a serial port.  With popularity of wireless networks this would allow controlling the radio without a dedicated computer at the rig.

Ken Nicely N3PSJ.
Ken Nicely (NE3C)
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Geoffrey Downs-2
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Strongly seconded David! I would just add for the avoidance of doubt that
MON should go back to 0 again when the txing from DVR memory has finished.
Otherwise it would be possible with a macro.

73 and Happy Christmas to all

Geoff
G3UCK

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>I do not use headphones and therefore have the monitor at zero so as not
> to cause feedback, but it would be nice to hear what's going on when
> sending from the DVR. Could the MON be set to a pre-set level when
> transmitting from the DVR memory?

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drewko
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1) A mode specific BAND switch (i.e., CW, SSB, AM, etc would each have
ten dedicated bands avaialble, independent of the other modes)

2) A "live" PITCH control so you can hear the pitch of received
signals as you adjust it, not covered by sidetone.

3) A "smart" passband shift step: 10 Hz for narrow filter widths 50 Hz
for wide, automatically selected.

4) Make the SQUELCH control functional for SCAN and permit live
adjustemt of squelch while scanning.

5) Allow live fully variable SCAN rate adjustment while scanning.

6) Enhanced switch macros: conditional execution and manipulation of
frequency memory.

7) Make the two non-numeral keypad keys (SPOT and AFX) available for
"quick" memory storage/retrieval using V>M and M>V.

8) Allow CW bandwidth wider than 2.8 KHz.

9) Allow LCD backlilght and LEDs to both be set to miimum brightness
at the same time.


73,
Drew
AF2Z





On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:02:02 -0800, Wayne N6KR wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>As you probably know, we keep a list of firmware features and  
>improvements to be added as time permits. Many of the most-requested  
>changes were made over the past several months, keeping pace with the  
>demands of the fall/winter contest season. (A few that come to mind:  
>switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR interaction with  
>PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR, lockable transmit controls,  
>and many enhanced remote-control commands.)
>

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Seasons Greetings

WA2SI
Wishing you all and your families a warm holiday season and a very healthy
happy new year.

Warmest Wishes,

Bert, WA2SI

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Re: K3 survey -- memory scanning

G3TCT
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I would certainly find it helpful if the memory function was improved. The
ability to scan through tv and beacon channels is an important way of
spotting openings on 6m, and would be assisted by
- recalling mode as well as frequency,
- allowing selection of mode specific scanning or all mode scanning (allows
eg scanning of FM channels only, or usb channels only, or all)
- ability to tag a memory with "skip" to cope with a channel that's occupied
or has a birdie
- scanning with or without muted audio

Graham

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Re: K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

Grant Youngman
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I have to admit that reading these posts has been interesting, if not down right exhausting.  

Some good suggestions, some pretty narrowly focused and esoteric ones, some related more to the (at best)  barely coherent jumble of PC software sitting behind the radio than the radio itself, and some downright head-scratchers that kind of make you wonder ... (??)

An idle perspective K3 purchaser would have to believe that the receiver can't hear anything because it's noisy, that there's something seriously wrong with AGC, that the S-meter doesn't work right, that it's basically impossible to use effectively, that the radio doesn't meet all high precision test equipment needs in the radio room, and that the radio clearly has a wide range of miscellaneous "faults" that just scream to be fixed NOW or else various users will trash it in favor of something else, which will be clearly faultless  :-)

Grant/NQ5T
K3 2091 with most everything
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