K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

[Guy, K2AV]

Good thing that reflector not the prime sales media.  I would assign
that to word of mouth and Elecraft repeat customers.  You got one
contester telling another that he hears things with his K3 that never
heard (or never heard well enough to copy) before, and it gets around
that a multi/op owner listened to one of them in a contest elsewhere
and then bought eight of 'em for himself, you pretty much don't care
what's in an ad or posted in a reflector.

Word of mouth and repeat customers are a businessman's best friend.
Why a "good name" means so much and is a commercial tangible asset.

The FT1000MP heavily penetrated the contesting market a decade ago.
The K3 has done at least that well.

73, Guy.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have to admit that reading these posts has been interesting, if not down right exhausting.
> An idle perspective K3 purchaser would have to believe that the receiver can't hear anything because it's noisy, that there's something seriously wrong with AGC, that the S-meter doesn't work right, that it's basically impossible to use effectively, that the radio doesn't meet all high precision test equipment needs in the radio room, and that the radio clearly has a wide range of miscellaneous "faults" that just scream to be fixed NOW or else various users will trash it in favor of something else, which will be clearly faultless  :-)
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[N2TK]

Larry,
Good input. Right now I am running LP-Bridge to the K3 with SteppIR,
DXBase2007, AXETTY, Power SFR/K3 IF Stage and Skimmer without any problems.

Will have to check out Commander. I am looking for an easy way to play with
the macros without having to switch things around or open and close
programs.

Merry Christmas
N2TK, Tony


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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Larry - K2GN
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:42 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software

A ot of good stuff going on the list.
One thing I'm puzzled about is the amount of external control people are
asking for.
I haven't seen anything that can't be done with existing software.
Programs like N1MM for contest allows you to sent macros to the K3.
A real great day to dat program is he "Commander" module of DXLabs Suite.
Here's my setup.
I connect to the K3 via my microHAM Keyer 2R+ using LP-Bridge(Great program,

thanks Larry)
LP-B stands between the K3 and all other software. LP-B creats a "virtual"
K3 in its memory.
It knows the status of the K3 at all times.
Through the use of "Virtual" COM Ports, LP-B connects other programs to the
virtual K3 and passes only the necessary commands to the K3.
I connect DXLabs' Command, CWSkimmer to a virtual COM port in LP-B. I've
even had N1MM connected at the same time.  The Command has a lot of standard

front panel stuff already programmed for the K3 and it has 16 programable
buttons to create macros with and 8 programable sliders for variable control

of thing like audio, etc.
I would suggest that those the want software control of the K3 look into
these programs.
The best part of this is they are ALL  FREE!!!
Oh, I forgot to mention that I also can connect the K3 UTIL and EASY-K3 when

running the above setup!!!

Anybody want to discus this setup with me, please drop a line.

Happy Holidays.

de K2GN/Larry
K3 S/N 3278



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>
>
> N2TK wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way to setup the K3 utility through LP-Bridge to send macros
>> for the utility program to the K3 without having to close LP-Bridge then
>> starting the K3 utility program? I understand that you have to close the
>> LP-Bridge for downloading updates.
>>
>
> Why don't you just use LP-Bridge's "disconnect" option instead of closing
> LP-Bridge?
>
> 73 & happy holidays,
> Barry N1EU
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[K1LI]

I would like to be able to "lock" the "V->M" front panel key.

In what must surely be the latest evidence of my brain's declining function,
I constantly confound the "V->M" and "M->V" buttons, inadvertently writing
over the memory contents. Pressing the "V->M" button while it is "locked"
would produce an audible beep and the text message "unlock V->M"

Along the same lines, I find that pressing "M->V" does not load both saved
frequencies into the main and sub receivers if the main and sub are set to
different bands when the key is pressed. I would like to have a way to make
this the default behavior when pressing the "M->V" key.

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[Gary Hinson]

> In what must surely be the latest evidence of my brain's
> declining function,
> I constantly confound the "V->M" and "M->V" buttons,
> inadvertently writing
> over the memory contents. Pressing the "V->M" button while it
> is "locked"
> would produce an audible beep and the text message "unlock V->M"

Nice idea Brian, a kind of senior interlock.

Meanwhile, I've taken the very simple but surprisingly effective measure of colouring the V->M
button red with a marker pen.  I now think twice before pressing it.  Usually.

I've also managed to delete the contents of a memory accidentally, more than once, by trying to
escape from the memory entry mode having ignored the red.  Hitting the CLR button doesn't just
cancel the memory entry mode, it clears the memory, as it is supposed to do according to the manual.
Maybe the K3 should require a double-press or hold of the CLR button to clear a memory?  

73 & merry Christmas all,
Gary  ZL2iFB

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[Don Wilhelm-4]

Brian,

Concentrate on the labels below the buttons - V>M is RECord while M>V is
PLAY - that helps keep my head 'screwed on right'.
You may get the lockout sometime, but that is not now.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brian Machesney wrote:
> I would like to be able to "lock" the "V->M" front panel key.
>
> In what must surely be the latest evidence of my brain's declining function,
> I constantly confound the "V->M" and "M->V" buttons, inadvertently writing
> over the memory contents. Pressing the "V->M" button while it is "locked"
> would produce an audible beep and the text message "unlock V->M"
>  
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[Thomas Ries]

I'd like to see the following enhancement:
Currently the transverter offset can be adjusted +/-9.99 kHz. I'd like
to have this range extended - maybe to +/- 99kHz.

Having an XV432 with stock XTAL + oven, the elevated temperature from
the oven pushes the LO quite a bit in frequency. I know that once can
adjust the LO in a certain range but to get the LO into the +/- 9kHz
range I have to pull it quite close to the point where the LO it stops
oscillating...


Great radio.

73 and best wishes for 2010
de Thomas, HB9XAR

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[K2QI]

I don't know if anyone has requested it yet, but how about a pulse tuning
function for those of us who use tube amps?

73 and Merry Christmas to all!

James K2QI

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As you probably know, we keep a list of firmware features and
> improvements to be added as time permits. Many of the most-requested
> changes were made over the past several months, keeping pace with the
> demands of the fall/winter contest season. (A few that come to mind:
> switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR interaction with
> PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR, lockable transmit controls,
> and many enhanced remote-control commands.)
>
> As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list
> based on your input. Items already on the list have priority, of
> course, but this is a great opportunity to let us know what else is
> missing or could be improved. Our goal is to make the K3 as easy to
> use as possible, while providing the advanced features you need for
> specific operating situations.
>
> We're also planning a renewed effort to assist application software
> developers. If your ideas for improvements involve changes to both K3
> firmware and a favorite application, we'll pass it along to the
> developers and work with them closely.
>
> We're making great progress on the P3 Panadapter and other new
> products. There will be some surprises in 2010 :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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[Carl Clawson]

I second the motion.

73, Carl WS7L


> I don't know if anyone has requested it yet, but how about a
> pulse tuning function for those of us who use tube amps?
>
> 73 and Merry Christmas to all!
>
> James K2QI

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[Mike K2MK]

Hi Wayne:

1. Some of us use the rear speaker jack for headphones to get a bit more volume than is provided by the headphone jacks. If you want to use the internal speaker you have to go behind the radio to unplug the headphones. The SPKR+PHONES choice is not applicable in this situation. Lyle has provided a command line code to increase headphone volume (!66;) but it is not saved through power cycles. It would be nice to have a configuration menu adjustment for the headphones that accomplishes the same thing but is remembered.

2. I would like to see the keyer speed adjustment changed so that it takes 2 encoder pulses for each WPM increase or decrease. When you are keying with your right hand and want to change your speed by 1 WPM it takes a bit of mental skill to simultaneously use your left hand to turn the knob just a tiny bit. I find myself jumping 2 or 3 WPM. Slower knob action might help.

73,
Mike K2MK



<quote author="wayne burdick">
Hi all,

As you probably know, we keep a list of firmware features and  
improvements to be added as time permits. Many of the most-requested  
changes were made over the past several months, keeping pace with the  
demands of the fall/winter contest season. (A few that come to mind:  
switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR interaction with  
PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR, lockable transmit controls,  
and many enhanced remote-control commands.)

As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list  
based on your input. Items already on the list have priority, of  
course, but this is a great opportunity to let us know what else is  
missing or could be improved. Our goal is to make the K3 as easy to  
use as possible, while providing the advanced features you need for  
specific operating situations.

We're also planning a renewed effort to assist application software  
developers. If your ideas for improvements involve changes to both K3  
firmware and a favorite application, we'll pass it along to the  
developers and work with them closely.

We're making great progress on the P3 Panadapter and other new  
products. There will be some surprises in 2010 :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

[Joe Planisky]

Fix strange LO/HI CUT interactions. (Or tell me that the way it works  
is intentional or some limitation of the DSP algorithms used.)

Here are some examples of unexpected behavior with FW 3.68 in DATA-A  
mode.  Numbers in parentheses are the values I get on my K3.

Not an interaction, but unexpected: In LSB, DATA, DATA-R, CW, and CW-R  
modes, the LO/HI steps are on x.x5 kHz boundaries (e.g. 0.15, 0.25,  
0.35, etc.). In USB mode, they're on x.1x kHz boundaries (e.g. 0.10,  
0.20. 0.30, etc.).

Set HI=3.05 and LO=0.55.
- Now set HI as high as it will go. Note the value (4.20)
- Now set HI back to 3.05, and set LO=2.05.
- Again set HI as high as it will go.  Note the value (3.15)
So with LO=0.55, HImax=4.20, but with LO=2.05, HImax=3.15

Set HI=3.05 and LO=0.55
- Now set HI as high as it will go. (4.20)
- Now set LO as high as it will go. Note the value (1.05)
- Now set HI=3.15
- Now set LO as high as it will go. Note the value (2.05)
So with HI=4.20, LOmax=1.05, but with HI=3.15, LOmax=2.05

Set HI=3.05 and LO=0.00.
- Now set HI as low as it will go.  Note the value (0.75)
- Set HI back to 3.05, and set LO=0.25.
- Again set HI as low as it will go.  Note the value (0.55)
So with LO=0.00, HImin=0.75, but with LO=0.25, HImin=0.55
- Bonus: now set LO as low as it will go (0.25)
So with HI=0.75+, LOmin=0.00, but with HI=0.55, LOmin=0.25

These anomalies show up in USB and LSB modes as well, but you're not  
likely to run into them in normal voice situations.  Likewise there  
are similar interactions in CW mode, but I never use LO/HI CUT in CW  
mode.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list
> based on your input. Items already on the list have priority, of
> course, but this is a great opportunity to let us know what else is
> missing or could be improved. Our goal is to make the K3 as easy to
> use as possible, while providing the advanced features you need for
> specific operating situations.

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[wayne burdick]

Thanks for the input, everyone. I've saved all of your suggestions,  
and no doubt we'll be reviewing and prioritizing well into 2010.

Probably time to end the thread, too.

Here's to a safe and happy new year!

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Olli Tuppurainen]

I would like to see separate RX EQ setting possibilities for CW and SSB.
At least I prefer totally different values in different modes

BR and HNY

Olli
OH6CT

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> Aihe: [Elecraft] K3 needs survey -- firmware and application software
>
> Hi all,
>
> As you probably know, we keep a list of firmware features and
> improvements to be added as time permits. Many of the
> most-requested changes were made over the past several
> months, keeping pace with the demands of the fall/winter
> contest season. (A few that come to mind:  
> switch sequence automation via macros, improved DVR
> interaction with PTT, main/sub audio mixing, improved NR,
> lockable transmit controls, and many enhanced remote-control
> commands.)
>
> As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master
> firmware list based on your input. Items already on the list
> have priority, of course, but this is a great opportunity to
> let us know what else is missing or could be improved. Our
> goal is to make the K3 as easy to use as possible, while
> providing the advanced features you need for specific
> operating situations.
>
> We're also planning a renewed effort to assist application
> software developers. If your ideas for improvements involve
> changes to both K3 firmware and a favorite application, we'll
> pass it along to the developers and work with them closely.
>
> We're making great progress on the P3 Panadapter and other
> new products. There will be some surprises in 2010 :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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[rkayakr]

I would like to be able to use the Dual PB filter in Data A.  When I'm searching the digital band segments I usually keep my K3 in DATA A, which is handy for most digital modes.  If I find a RTTY signal, switching to AFSK means losing the signal and having to reacquire it since AFSK changes the sideband, VFO tuning and filter center. Why prohibit Dual PB in Data A????

   Bob
   KD8CGH
   KX1 - #1646
   K2 - #2122
   K3 - #70

[Joe Planisky]

Hi Wayne,

One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation  
and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is  
showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I  
understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR  
PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off seems a  
step too far.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list
> based on your input.
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[Dunc Carter - W5DC]

I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of recent origin.

Dunc, W5DC

Joe Planisky wrote:

> Hi Wayne,
>
> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation  
> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is  
> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I  
> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR  
> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off seems a  
> step too far.
>
> 73
> --
> Joe KB8AP
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>  
>> As we head into 2010, we'd like to refresh the master firmware list
>> based on your input.
>>    
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[Grant Youngman]

Does the ERR PTT go away if the PTT line is unasserted after the error message appears?  

Grant/NQ5T

On Dec 30, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:

> I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of recent origin.
>
> Dunc, W5DC
>
> Joe Planisky wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>>
>> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation  
>> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is  
>> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I  
>> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR  
>> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off seems a  
>> step too far.

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[Dunc Carter - W5DC]

No, when it's happened on my K3, the PTT line should be open/clear and
neither is a key line.

Dunc, W5DC

Grant Youngman wrote:

> Does the ERR PTT go away if the PTT line is unasserted after the error message appears?  
>
> Grant/NQ5T
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:
>
>  
>> I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of recent origin.
>>
>> Dunc, W5DC
>>
>> Joe Planisky wrote:
>>    
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>
>>> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation  
>>> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is  
>>> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I  
>>> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR  
>>> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off seems a  
>>> step too far.
>>>      
>
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[Dunc Carter - W5DC]

Pardon my bad grammar.  When this happens on start-up, the PTT line from
the mike is not closed and neither is any key line.

Duncan Carter wrote:

> No, when it's happened on my K3, the PTT line should be open/clear and
> neither is a key line.
>
> Dunc, W5DC
>
> Grant Youngman wrote:
>  
>> Does the ERR PTT go away if the PTT line is unasserted after the error message appears?  
>>
>> Grant/NQ5T
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:
>>
>>  
>>    
>>> I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of recent origin.
>>>
>>> Dunc, W5DC
>>>
>>> Joe Planisky wrote:
>>>    
>>>      
>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation  
>>>> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is  
>>>> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I  
>>>> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR  
>>>> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off seems a  
>>>> step too far.
>>>>      
>>>>        
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[Joe Planisky]

Hi Dunc,

Are you saying that you got the ERR PTT indication when nothing was  
connected to the rig or at least you couldn't find a definite cause  
for it?  That's what happened to me.  I was getting ERR PTT with  
absolutely nothing but power and antenna connected to the rig.  After  
partial disassembly for inspection, everything started working again.  
I never did find a definite cause.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:

> Pardon my bad grammar.  When this happens on start-up, the PTT line  
> from
> the mike is not closed and neither is any key line.
>
> Duncan Carter wrote:
>> No, when it's happened on my K3, the PTT line should be open/clear  
>> and
>> neither is a key line.
>>
>> Dunc, W5DC
>>
>> Grant Youngman wrote:
>>
>>> Does the ERR PTT go away if the PTT line is unasserted after the  
>>> error message appears?
>>>
>>> Grant/NQ5T
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of  
>>>> recent origin.
>>>>
>>>> Dunc, W5DC
>>>>
>>>> Joe Planisky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>>
>>>>> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT"  
>>>>> situation
>>>>> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is
>>>>> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I
>>>>> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the  
>>>>> ERR
>>>>> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off  
>>>>> seems a
>>>>> step too far.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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[Dunc Carter - W5DC]

It's an occasional problem that started after a recent firmware upgrade
and happens with nothing connected.  It clears after I stop and re-start
the power supply, stopping the power supply being required because
nothing else has any effect, and then tap the power button.  So far,
it's not enough of a problem to warrant any dis-assembly.

Dunc, W5DC

Joe Planisky wrote:

> Hi Dunc,
>
> Are you saying that you got the ERR PTT indication when nothing was
> connected to the rig or at least you couldn't find a definite cause
> for it?  That's what happened to me.  I was getting ERR PTT with
> absolutely nothing but power and antenna connected to the rig.  After
> partial disassembly for inspection, everything started working again.  
> I never did find a definite cause.
>
> 73
> --
> Joe KB8AP
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:
>
>> Pardon my bad grammar.  When this happens on start-up, the PTT line from
>> the mike is not closed and neither is any key line.
>>
>> Duncan Carter wrote:
>>> No, when it's happened on my K3, the PTT line should be open/clear and
>>> neither is a key line.
>>>
>>> Dunc, W5DC
>>>
>>> Grant Youngman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does the ERR PTT go away if the PTT line is unasserted after the
>>>> error message appears?
>>>>
>>>> Grant/NQ5T
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Duncan Carter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've found the same problem and this problem seems to be of recent
>>>>> origin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunc, W5DC
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Planisky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One more item for your list.  I just ran into an "ERR PTT" situation
>>>>>> and discovered that you can't turn the rig off while ERR PTT is
>>>>>> showing.  I.e. it doesn't respond to pressing the POWER button.  I
>>>>>> understand the need to disable most all functionality until the ERR
>>>>>> PTT is cleared, but disabling the ability to turn the rig off
>>>>>> seems a
>>>>>> step too far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>
>

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