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Gary and all,
I'm in the same boat! But I think it's simply the fact that on most other radios a clockwise turn increases selectivity--makes the filter narrower. The way the K3 does it makes sense when you think about it, but nonetheless, it is contrary to what we have been used to doing with other radios. To that end I guess Wayne set this control up in a way that is counterintuitive, but only if you have been trained (as apparently many of us have) to think the other way. I guess I'll adapt (eventually), but it's a bit surprising how difficult it has been to get there. The older I get, the harder it seems to be to reprogram my brain! Dave W7AQK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Bartlett VE1RGB" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? > I have been noting with great interest the comments > about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the > filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be > wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that > always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. > Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. > > At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing > and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I > wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to > talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to > know that I/we are not alone. > > Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX > would default to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to > concern myself about trying to remember to turn VOX off > myself so that the rig does not actually transmit during > the booting of the attached computer and again when the > logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. > > 73, > Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? > > >> >> >> >>>The >>>only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For >>>some reason I >>>kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I >>>turned it >>>clockwise... >> >> Same here. That's the only knob that I consistently turn >> the wrong way. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by raroth7
This change has already been made in 2.20 where if the PTT is activated
during power up the rig does not transmit until PTT is sent low and then high again. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dick Roth KA1OZ Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:51 PM To: Gary Bartlett VE1RGB; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: > I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way > to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you > that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater > than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone > up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. > > At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too > embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing > age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am > comforted to know that I/we are not alone. > > Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX would default > to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to concern myself about trying to > remember to turn VOX off myself so that the rig does not actually > transmit during the booting of the attached computer and again when the > logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. > > 73, > Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 [snip] I second the thought re the default VOX state upon turn on. I've fallen into this same trap (and then crawled under my desk upon realizing what might have gone over the air). If it wouldn't take too much re-coding, I think such a change would be worthwhile. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Titan-DX _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Craig-89
Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: "You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable price." For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: "I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a modern stable design with accurate frequency readout." <SNIP> "There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That is what I have switched to now." I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the best low band DXers thought about their K3s. 73 & HNY, Bill W4ZV |
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Oops, I meant to include the link to W8JI's comments below:
http://www.w8ji.com/polarization_and_diversity.htm 73, Bill Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: "You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable price." For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: "I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a modern stable design with accurate frequency readout." <SNIP> "There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That is what I have switched to now." I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the best low band DXers thought about their K3s. 73 & HNY, Bill W4ZV |
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Yep, it's been on Youtube for the better part of 2 years now ... Mr. Low-band DX'ing made the big step from Ten-tec Orion's to K3's some time ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT_NwIsz54k 73' Brian OZ2BRN Den 04-01-2011 14:17, Bill W4ZV skrev: > Oops, I meant to include the link to W8JI's comments below: > > http://www.w8ji.com/polarization_and_diversity.htm > > 73, Bill > > > > Craig-89 wrote: >> I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this >> morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the >> audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear >> what John thinks of his? K3. >> >> Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing >> someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author >> should make for some interesting reading. >> > Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I > searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition > of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 > was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting > Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: > > "You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very > reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with > Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for > a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable > price." > > For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement > from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: > > "I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers > (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in > phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand > select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter > passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both > receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver > that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an > Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical > receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a > modern stable design with accurate frequency readout." > > <SNIP> > > "There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver > tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the > main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the > oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is > the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, > the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as > the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. > > I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. > > To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has > absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That > is what I have switched to now." > > I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the > best low band DXers thought about their K3s. > > 73& HNY, > > Bill W4ZV > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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So what if ON4UN has a K3?
So what if ON4UN has a FT5000DX? :-) 73 and a happy new year all. Arie PA3A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Arie,
You are right and you may be sure he will probably change his rig some day and then some people will go into a funk. Previously ON4UN used two Orion II radios and there was much bragging on the TenTec site. He certainly changed to the K3 but what next. Everyone makes their own choices. The K3 is a good radio and will be one whether Ham X uses one or not. What may be more significant is the number of K3s used for contest work. If you are a DX hound or digital man then the criteria changes. Happy New Year to all and especially to my fellow K3 users who have even more reason to be happy. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: 04 January 2011 19:31 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? So what if ON4UN has a K3? So what if ON4UN has a FT5000DX? :-) 73 and a happy new year all. Arie PA3A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what they are doing...as demonstrated by results. 73, Bill |
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Oh Bill -- there you go again! Selling yourself short. I feel quite sure I
am not alone in saying that the three ham operators who are always worth listening to are W8JI, ON4UN, AND W4ZV! The collective knowledge of you three is just overwhelming. And thanks for sharing! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:38 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote: > > So what if ON4UN has a K3? > Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what they are doing...as demonstrated by results. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5890636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Absolutely True.
73's Gary On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Tommy Alderman <[hidden email]> wrote: > Oh Bill -- there you go again! Selling yourself short. I feel quite sure I > am not alone in saying that the three ham operators who are always worth > listening to are W8JI, ON4UN, AND W4ZV! The collective knowledge of you > three is just overwhelming. And thanks for sharing! > > 73, > > Tom - W4BQF > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:38 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? > > > > Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote: >> >> So what if ON4UN has a K3? >> > > Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in > 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of > credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on > 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. > > I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what > they are doing...as demonstrated by results. > > 73, Bill > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5890636.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
I had the priviledge of visiting ON4UN, December of 2009, and he does have 2 K3's. NJ3K
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