ON4UN has a K3?
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I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3.
Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. 73 Craig _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a recent message, Craig <[hidden email]> wrote ...
>I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA ... >Can anyone confirm that John owns one, If he does have a K3 he has not yet got round to entering his details on the Elecraft Owners' Database at http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html Although the Database says that it is for the K2/K1, other Elecraft gear, including the K3, is also listed there. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Craig-89
>I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this >morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the >audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear >what John thinks of his? K3. > > Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing > someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author > should make for some interesting reading. > Craig, There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. 73 Val LZ1VB _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by David Pratt-2
Probably because like me, also a K3 owner (580) he can't be bothered to create yet another account to fill in or look at the information. |
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In reply to this post by Val-12
That "other" forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages worth!): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. "Christmas lights") over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to read. 73, Bill |
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...and if you really want to waste some time, there are 43 pages worth of comments below: http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D13666%26postdays%3D0%26postorder%3Dasc%26%26start%3D0&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1&usg=ALkJrhhsDc7EbejJNKKpGGvGiFmMY5T7IA You can jump to #43 and read backwards to read the most recent ones. 73, Bill |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
Man, this dude sums up my feelings EXACTLY!
[quote...sort of...given the google translator thing] Maybe going banal, but I vsetaki speak: the K3 nekazisty design, it looks like something krivovato. [endquote] "Looks like something krivovato": I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I'm betting that "krivovato" means "a radio that really should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that "up" and "down" stuff for bands or modes." ;-) Steve NN4X On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: > > > > > > There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has > > told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a > > main rig. > > > > > > That "other" forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages > worth!): > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 > > It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. "Christmas > lights") over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to > read. > > 73, Bill > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to
mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the keypad if needed. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:05 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Man, this dude sums up my feelings EXACTLY! [quote...sort of...given the google translator thing] Maybe going banal, but I vsetaki speak: the K3 nekazisty design, it looks like something krivovato. [endquote] "Looks like something krivovato": I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I'm betting that "krivovato" means "a radio that really should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that "up" and "down" stuff for bands or modes." ;-) Steve NN4X On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: > > > > > > There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has > > told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a > > main rig. > > > > > > That "other" forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages > worth!): > > http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.cqham.ru/vi ewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result& prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg. mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 > > It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. "Christmas > lights") over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to > read. > > 73, Bill > -- > View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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To each their own, eh Brett?
Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the "40" or "7" button to go to that band. It wasn't a big enough deal for me to prevent me from ordering my 2nd K3, which is in transit. I voted with my $$$. Actually, as I've gotten LP-PAN up and running, and having my first experiences with rig control software, I'm very curioius as to whether I'll prefer using that UI. If nothing else, I can click on a "40" button and go right there. :-) 73, Steve On 7/25/08, Brett Howard <[hidden email]> wrote: > And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to > mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the > keypad if needed. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If you follow KR2Q's memory programming suggestion below, you only need one more press to do what you described: "M>V" and "7" = 40 meters http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-remembering-filters-per-mode%2C-etc-tt465962.html#a465962 73, Bill |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
Glad to hear you ordered a second!!!
I wonder if you used one of the newer label makers and printed up labels on a clear background how annoying they would look stuck over the buttons... Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using something like: 2 - 20 Meters 3 - 30 Meters 7 - 40 Meters 4 - 75/80 Meters 1 - 160 Meters Those are the somewhat easy ones to kinda fit in... Beyond that you have to either start getting creative or go for the labels. Or like you said... You can just do it in software... -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:23 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? To each their own, eh Brett? Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the "40" or "7" button to go to that band. It wasn't a big enough deal for me to prevent me from ordering my 2nd K3, which is in transit. I voted with my $$$. Actually, as I've gotten LP-PAN up and running, and having my first experiences with rig control software, I'm very curioius as to whether I'll prefer using that UI. If nothing else, I can click on a "40" button and go right there. :-) 73, Steve On 7/25/08, Brett Howard <[hidden email]> wrote: > And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to > mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the > keypad if needed. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
Make that "M>V" and "4" = 40 meters for what Doug described...you could do it in MHz instead of meters also. 73, Bill |
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In reply to this post by S Sacco
Steve, you missed :)
"Krivovato" actually means crooked.... But the computer translation isn't much closer at all :) Val LZ1VB > "Looks like something krivovato": I'm going to take a wild guess > here, but I'm betting that "krivovato" means "a radio that really > should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that > "up" and "down" stuff for bands or modes." > > > ;-) > Steve NN4X > > > > > On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: >> > >> > >> > There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN >> > has >> > told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it >> > as a >> > main rig. >> > >> > >> >> That "other" forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 >> pages >> worth!): >> >> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3D&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 >> >> It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. >> "Christmas >> lights") over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting >> to >> read. >> >> 73, Bill >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
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How silly this thread has gotten to while the Subject line does not match. Come on people..... Now then....ON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etc....but I don't care if he has one or not. Gee, I wonder if KR7WEX has a TS2000? Lets drop this ... Lee - K0WA "FLAME SUIT ON" In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
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Lee Buller wrote:
> ... > Now then....ON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etc....but I don't care if he has one or not. > I paid attention when John replaced his FT1000D transceivers with Ten-Tec Orions. He claimed that the improvement in receiver performance was reason enough to make a change in spite of some rough edges on the Orion. If he chooses to switch to Elecraft K3s at some point, I want to know about it, and about his reasons for doing so. I'd also want to know his reasoning if he chooses not to make the switch (most likely small size, lack of direct band selection, too many multi-function controls). 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I like:
1 = 10m 2 = 20m 3 = 30m 4 = 40m 5 = 15m 6 = 60m 7 = 17m 8 = 80m 9 0 = 160m I use "band down" or "band down" to go to 6m or 12m. 73, John W2XS ------------------------- Brett wrote: Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using something like: 2 - 20 Meters 3 - 30 Meters 7 - 40 Meters 4 - 75/80 Meters 1 - 160 Meters |
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John,
No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. I have mine set: 1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- "the low bands" 4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- "the high bands' 7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- "the WARC bands (almost)" 0 = 160m --- " TOP BAND " 60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap the BAND up button. I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. 73, Don W3FPR John W2XS wrote: > I like: > > 1 = 10m > 2 = 20m > 3 = 30m > 4 = 40m > 5 = 15m > 6 = 60m > 7 = 17m > 8 = 80m > 9 > 0 = 160m > > I use "band down" or "band down" to go to 6m or 12m. > > 73, > > John W2XS > ------------------------- > > Brett wrote: Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using > something > like: > > 2 - 20 Meters > 3 - 30 Meters > 7 - 40 Meters > 4 - 75/80 Meters > 1 - 160 Meters > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, Don, I agree completely. Forget about the labels entirely and
just learn them by key position. However, I went with a vertical scheme vs your horizontal one... The first keypad column (1,4,7) is 160, 80, & 40. Second column is 20 to 6 (6m stands apart way down there on the zero key); third column is the warc bands. I figure if I can keep track of forty-some keys on a keyboard without looking then I can memorize the positions of ten band buttons on the k3. Now my band locations just seem.... right! No label reading; no mental translation... the buttons ARE the bands! So, if the power goes out I can navigate the bands without even needing to see the buttons. (Admittedly, there isn't much point to navigating the band buttons when there is no power to the K3...) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:03:25 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: >John, > >No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. >I have mine set: > >1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- "the low bands" >4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- "the high bands' >7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- "the WARC bands (almost)" > 0 = 160m --- " TOP BAND " > >60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap >the BAND up button. > >I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number >is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. >I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the >BAND buttons. > >73, >Don W3FPR > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The only reason I mention the labels is because it seems lately if you
ask someone to press two buttons to get something done or to actually learn/remember something they look at you like you stole their favorite blanket. I love the whole press for one option and hold for another to get rid of having to press a F key and even more love the way that Elecraft laid out the panel so that often a press activates/inactivates a feature and a hold configures it. Can't get much simpler/cleaner than that. On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:25 -0400, [hidden email] wrote: > Yes, Don, I agree completely. Forget about the labels entirely and > just learn them by key position. However, I went with a vertical > scheme vs your horizontal one... > > The first keypad column (1,4,7) is 160, 80, & 40. Second column is 20 > to 6 (6m stands apart way down there on the zero key); third column is > the warc bands. > > I figure if I can keep track of forty-some keys on a keyboard without > looking then I can memorize the positions of ten band buttons on the > k3. Now my band locations just seem.... right! No label reading; no > mental translation... the buttons ARE the bands! > > So, if the power goes out I can navigate the bands without even > needing to see the buttons. (Admittedly, there isn't much point to > navigating the band buttons when there is no power to the K3...) > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:03:25 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: > > >John, > > > >No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. > >I have mine set: > > > >1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- "the low bands" > >4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- "the high bands' > >7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- "the WARC bands (almost)" > > 0 = 160m --- " TOP BAND " > > > >60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap > >the BAND up button. > > > >I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number > >is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. > >I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the > >BAND buttons. > > > >73, > >Don W3FPR > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
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In reply to this post by Augie "Gus" Hansen
Why not sit down in front of the options that you're interested in and
form an opinion of your own rather than go by someone else? Each persons operating style is different and if you don't operate the same way this guy does perhaps a rig that he just offloaded is the perfect companion to the way you like to do things. Maybe you can even buy it off him for a good price! :) On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 15:23 -0600, Augie Hansen wrote: > Lee Buller wrote: > > ... > > Now then....ON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etc....but I don't care if he has one or not. > > > > I paid attention when John replaced his FT1000D transceivers with > Ten-Tec Orions. He claimed that the improvement in receiver performance > was reason enough to make a change in spite of some rough edges on the > Orion. > > If he chooses to switch to Elecraft K3s at some point, I want to know > about it, and about his reasons for doing so. I'd also want to know his > reasoning if he chooses not to make the switch (most likely small size, > lack of direct band selection, too many multi-function controls). > > 73, Gus Hansen > KB0YH > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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