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P3 - unfinished product

G4HUE
As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset.
I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver).
It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!).
Andy G4HUE
K3 sn6990
P3 sn 2493
KAT500 sn 1245
KPA500 sn 2102
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Ignacy
Most of LP500 information is for personal interest, with little help for DXing or contesting. Also extra cables needed, e.g., for trapezoid display.

P3 does one thing well. Extras would cost hardware and software.  

I would say LP100 and P3 serve different markets. Also nowadays, often software costs more than hardware, and Elecraft pays for software development with hardware sales.

Ignacy, NO9E
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Phil Wheeler-2
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P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly
"unfinished" as you more than suggest. If you need
more than it offers, you have found other option.

73, Phil W7OX

On 12/5/14 5:45 AM, ANDY NEHAN wrote:
> As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset.
> I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver).
> It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!).
> Andy G4HUE
> K3 sn6990
> P3 sn 2493
> KAT500 sn 1245
> KPA500 sn 2102

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

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Some time ago, Wayne asked about what new features such as SSTV could be
integrated into the P3   the SSTV  part seemed to be low on most users
here on the reflector But since Wayne had asked the original question
and got some excellent suggestions such as the sensor etc I am going to
assume his question was intended for information gathering for work in
progress  this will take time  I am hoping I am correct on this
assumption and that the much anticipated development of added and
improved features is now in progress.     I love my P3   before I got it
it was on the "it would be nice but not essential" list but for S&P in a
contest or hunting DX it has been a wonderfull tool and therefore has
now been upgraded to an essential piece of my station.      Any
improvement would be icing on a superb cake,  and I love icing!

David Moes
VE3SD

On 12/5/2014 08:45, ANDY NEHAN wrote:

> As is its a real useful item I would NOT be without BUT it could be better and the external sensor and the corresponding ability to monitor ones signals would be a great asset.
> I follow the N8LP site and I note beta copies of the LP500 are soon to be shipped - must say it looks very tasty (probably far more capability than most people need and more than the P3 could deliver).
> It would however be nice to know if the P3 was going to be enhanced sometime in the not too distant future before folks get bored waiting and just buy the LP500 (not going to be cheap!!).
> Andy G4HUE
> K3 sn6990
> P3 sn 2493
> KAT500 sn 1245
> KPA500 sn 2102
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Bob-2
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Hi Phil,

             To many, including myself, it is unfinished.  There were lots of
hints and teases about a TX monitoring addition that has not materialized.  That
was a consideration in the original purchase.

              My Heath SB610 is long past retirement age.   I'll try to be in
1st shipment group when and if it does become a product.  I can agree, it with
the SVGA module is a fine product. as is.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR



On 12/5/2014 10:47 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly "unfinished" as you more than suggest.
> If you need more than it offers, you have found other option.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
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Okay, I haven't been licensed as long as some of you, but I'm still
eligible for QCWA membership with a fair margin.

What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?  Who
adds capabilities after the radio is sold, without selling them as an
"upgrade kit?"

My ICOM, Yaesu and Kenwood radios have all had a set of features the day
I bought them, and that was it.

73 -- WB6UUT

On 12/5/2014 9:50 AM, david Moes wrote:

> Some time ago, Wayne asked about what new features such as SSTV could
> be integrated into the P3   the SSTV  part seemed to be low on most
> users here on the reflector But since Wayne had asked the original
> question and got some excellent suggestions such as the sensor etc I
> am going to assume his question was intended for information gathering
> for work in progress  this will take time  I am hoping I am correct on
> this assumption and that the much anticipated development of added and
> improved features is now in progress.     I love my P3   before I got
> it it was on the "it would be nice but not essential" list but for S&P
> in a contest or hunting DX it has been a wonderfull tool and therefore
> has now been upgraded to an essential piece of my station.      Any
> improvement would be icing on a superb cake,  and I love icing!
>
> David Moes
> VE3SD
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

wayne burdick
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Some previously discussed P3 enhancements are well under way. All firmware upgrades will continue to be free.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Okay, I haven't been licensed as long as some of you, but I'm still eligible for QCWA membership with a fair margin.
>
> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?  Who adds capabilities after the radio is sold, without selling them as an "upgrade kit?"
>
> My ICOM, Yaesu and Kenwood radios have all had a set of features the day I bought them, and that was it.
>
> 73 -- WB6UUT




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Re: P3 - unfinished product

W1KSZ
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YAESU

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Bill-3
I must be simple - as the P3 satisfies my needs and operates as
advertised. Operating as advertised is important - many rigs cannot
really do that (watch the wording in the advertising as a gotcha).

Of course a few enhancements - such as a turkey roasting timer, remote
lawn mower control, and drink mixer would be great!

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

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FlexRadio & TenTec also provide free updates.In today's market it's not uncommon to provide free updates to a product you sell.

That being said I also would like to see the sensor board etc made available for the P3.I'm a little disappointed that the P3 development seems to have been stagnant for a while now.






 

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 Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product
   
YAESU

73, Dick, W1KSZ




On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Phil Wheeler-2
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A better question might be what other company
provides firmware updates based on customer input?

I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if
any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any
user/customer requests.

Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our
requests and wishes -- though I'm sure some of our
important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what
is reasonable to achieve within the constraints of
the hardware :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> YAESU
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
> wrote:
>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides
>> firmware updates for free?

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Chester Alderman
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil
Wheeler
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product

 

A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates
based on customer input?

 

I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if

any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests.

 

Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though
I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what is
reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-)

 

[*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very poor
full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and mention
'we are working on it'!

Tom - W4BQF

 

 

73, Phil W7OX

 

On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:

> YAESU

>

> 73, Dick, W1KSZ

>

>

> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

> wrote:

>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?

 

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

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While some of the suggestions have merit, I beg to differ with the thought the product is unfinished.  During the development stage of any product there is a point where the product satisfies the original design requirements and is released to production.  This is not a end of the road of development, just a point in time where the original design requirements have been met. With many manufacturers, there is NO further development of that model.  Yes, the newer manufacturers offerings offer SW upgrades, but not major shifts is design.  Refinements to be sure as are offered by Elecraft.

The major issue here is, NONE of the off shore manufacturers will offer the direct design interface with the customer, Elecraft does........ 

I like to think of the comments that address a wish list are a very good platform for Elecraft to see what the customers would like to see in their products.   This should not be a platform to condemn them for open ended option issues.  Come on Guys.  It is a business to make money.  Let's not sore the brew.  IMHO
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Bob <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 10:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product
   
Hi Phil,

            To many, including myself, it is unfinished.  There were lots of
hints and teases about a TX monitoring addition that has not materialized.  That
was a consideration in the original purchase.

              My Heath SB610 is long past retirement age.  I'll try to be in
1st shipment group when and if it does become a product.  I can agree, it with
the SVGA module is a fine product. as is.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR





On 12/5/2014 10:47 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> P3 is a fine product as it is -- hardly "unfinished" as you more than suggest.
> If you need more than it offers, you have found other option.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>

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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Harlan Sherriff
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Well said Mel

Harlan
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

W1KSZ
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Same answer ... YAESU

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

>  
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil
> Wheeler
> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product
>
>  
>
> A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates
> based on customer input?
>
>  
>
> I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if
>
> any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests.
>
>  
>
> Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though
> I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond what is
> reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-)
>
>  
>
> [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very poor
> full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and mention
> 'we are working on it'!
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
>  
>
> On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>
>> YAESU
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
>> wrote:
>>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

 > Same answer ... YAESU

Really?  Since when?

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



On 2014-12-05 6:17 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:

> Same answer ... YAESU
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Phil
>> Wheeler
>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product
>>
>>
>> A better question might be what other company provides firmware updates
>> based on customer input?
>>
>>
>> I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if
>>
>> any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any user/customer requests.
>>
>>
>> Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our requests and wishes -- though
>> I'm sure some of our important requests (a drink mixer?) go beyond
>> what is
>> reasonable to achieve within the constraints of the hardware :-)
>>
>>
>> [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three years and still have very
>> poor
>> full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump on the reflector and
>> mention
>> 'we are working on it'!
>>
>> Tom - W4BQF
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>>
>>> YAESU
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
>>> wrote:
>>>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides firmware updates for free?
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Kenneth Christiansen
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I have one feature I would like to see on the P3. I would like the demodulated digital text to appear on the bottom of the P3 as it does on the PX3. I use that feature often on my PX3. It should be able to be done similar to the PX3 as the text is already sent from the K3 to the P3. Thank for all the other great features. I would hate to try to be a HF ham without the P3 and or PX3 in my station.
73

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> YAESU
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> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

N0SA
I too would love to see the decoded text on the screen like the PX3 does.
I really like this feature on the PX3.
That is my only wish.
Maybe for Christmas Hi Hi!!
Larry
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Phil Wheeler-2
In reply to this post by W1KSZ
Never in my experience, and i've had a fair number
of their transceivers over the years.

Phil W7OX

On 12/5/14 3:17 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:

> Same answer ... YAESU
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
> On 12/5/2014 2:55 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>> Behalf Of Phil
>> Wheeler
>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 4:14 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - unfinished product
>>
>>
>> A better question might be what other company
>> provides firmware updates
>> based on customer input?
>>
>>
>> I use digital cameras and all firmware updates (if
>>
>> any!) are free. But they seldom reflect any
>> user/customer requests.
>>
>>
>> Elecraft is exceptionally responsive to our
>> requests and wishes -- though
>> I'm sure some of our important requests (a
>> drink mixer?) go beyond what is
>> reasonable to achieve within the constraints of
>> the hardware :-)
>>
>>
>> [*] Really??? I've had my K3 for over three
>> years and still have very poor
>> full QSK with this radio. Oh yes, they do jump
>> on the reflector and mention
>> 'we are working on it'!
>>
>> Tom - W4BQF
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/14 10:41 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>>
>>> YAESU
>>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>> On 12/5/2014 11:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
>>> wrote:
>>>> What company, besides Elecraft, provides
>>>> firmware updates for free?
>>
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Re: P3 - unfinished product

Kevin Stover
I am continuously amazed by the amount of "stuff" people want to add to
Elecraft products, in this case the P3, that are done BETTER and CHEAPER
by other things.

Want to monitor your output waveform...buy a used oscilloscope and spend
$10 for the parts to build a sampler. Better yet buy one of the
inexpensive  dual channel 100MHz Rigol O-scopes for less than $400 and
you've got an output monitor AND an O-scope.

How about we just add an solid state drive and Intel i3 processor with
appropriate motherboard with really good on board sound chip (oxymoron?)
running Windows 10 to the P3 and you could replace your shack
computer...kinda...sorta.... Of course the cost of all this convenience
will triple or quadruple the price of the P3... Of course Elecraft would
have to add a couple dozen personnel for the inevitable "help
desk"...but it will have a real good "gee whiz" factor.

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R. Kevin Stover
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