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'DGB'

Re: QRQ CW

That's what the WARC bands are for, plenty of room there! ;-)

73 de NS9I - . .. -

On 4/30/2014 7:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:
>
>> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
>> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.
> You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
> speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
> of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
> there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
> relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
> year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
> into DX, there was the annual DX contest.
>
> Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
> them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
> nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
> signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
> weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
> enjoy the bands.
>
> Gary

Edward A. Dauer

QRQ CW

In reply to this post by alsopb

What I encounter frequently in contests is stations using two speeds
within each QSO. The slower (usually ~30 WPM) sends the unique
information such as the call sign of the station being worked and the S/N
where that's required; and the higher speed (which I can't estimate) for
common exchange elements such as the ubiquitous 599 and the QTH or
whatever else is the same for every contact. Where stations use speeds
much in excess of 35 WPM for their own call sign it does waste time, I
suspect, with others having to listen two or three times to get it down
right. Someone with math skills better than mine might calculate how much
time is saved sending 50+ rather than 30 in a contest QSO, given the
irreducible time for the rest of the exchange (the reply, typing into the
log, waiting for the next guy in the pileup, etc.) and the probability
that the other side is sending at 30. I'll bet it's not much.

Ted, KN1CBR

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>From: Brian Alsop <[hidden email]>
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>Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ CW
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>There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send
>QRQ CW.
>
>For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
>The answer was 30+ WPM average.
>The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
>See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>
>With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that
>contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.
>
>73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
>-----
>
>> When did it creep that low? I
>> suppose it is a victim of the lack of CW requirement or something like
>>that.
>
>
>
>

Rick M0LEP

Re: QRQ CW

In reply to this post by 'DGB'

On Wed 30 Apr DGB wrote:
> That's what the WARC bands are for, plenty of room there! ;-)

Yeah, right... </sarcasm> ;)

I don't do contests, so I tend to take big contest weekends as weekends
for doing something else; the contest bands will be jammed with
contesters, and the WARC bands that are open will be jammed with
contest-avioding folk, so why bother with the radio? After all, the
contests will be over, and there'll be space on the bands, by Monday.

As a Morse beginner (primarily motivated by Summits On The Air),
anything from about 15wpm up is "QRQ" by my standards, and I won't
bother trying to answer anyone going much over 25wpm, even if they are
on a never-before-activated 10-point summit...

....and if I'm on a summit and have to resort to CW (and my Morse is not
the best, so I usually only use it when SSB isn't getting me anywhere)
then I'll most definitely ask for QRS.

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On 4/30/2014 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:
> They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
> enjoy the bands.

Contests always avoid the WARC bands, and most contests are a single
mode -- CW or SSB or RTTY -- leaving lots of space for those who don't
enjoy them.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: QRQ CW

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I have to fully agree, personally I have never seen the point of contesting, it all seems pretty pointless.

In nearly every contest, I see the same thing contesters with little regard for other Amateurs.

I like to run JT65 and SSTV and on on the CW and RTTY contest the JT65 Frequencies are Full
with CW or RTTY and on the SSB contest the SSTV frequencies are full SSB voice contesters.

And the typical response from contesters are "Use the WARC Bands".

I guess some must have a need to do something to make themselves feel special.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:

> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.

You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
into DX, there was the annual DX contest.

Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
enjoy the bands.

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Re: Contest QRM

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I am always amazed at those that point to a chart and say there are contests every weekend. I only operate the big contests of which
there are 5 a year that affect each mode that I can think of. The rest are small and occupy very little band space if you even
notice them at all. If that really bothers you then I feel sorry for you. It must be tough that things bother you to that extent.

Plus, as Jim says, the WARC bands are contest free zones.

73,
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Subject: [Elecraft] Contest QRM

On 4/30/2014 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:
> They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't enjoy the
> bands.

Contests always avoid the WARC bands, and most contests are a single mode -- CW or SSB or RTTY -- leaving lots of space for those
who don't enjoy them.

73, Jim K9YC

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Igor Sokolov-2

Re: QRQ CW

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What all these postings have to do with Elecraft except that K3 is a choise
of many contesters?
Over 50% of last WRTC participants were using Elecraft. I am sure that
contesters are a lion share of Elecraft customers both in number and
volume.

73, Igor UA9CDC
User of K2, K3, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500 etc and contester :)

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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

I have to fully agree, personally I have never seen the point of contesting,
it all seems pretty pointless.

In nearly every contest, I see the same thing contesters with little regard
for other Amateurs.

I like to run JT65 and SSTV and on on the CW and RTTY contest the JT65
Frequencies are Full
with CW or RTTY and on the SSB contest the SSTV frequencies are full SSB
voice contesters.

And the typical response from contesters are "Use the WARC Bands".

I guess some must have a need to do something to make themselves feel
special.

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:

> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.

You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
into DX, there was the annual DX contest.

Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
enjoy the bands.

Gary
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Re: QRQ CW

In reply to this post by Charlie T, K3ICH

I eight years as a flier in the Air Force during the Vietnam era and 15 years as private, instrument rated pilot I do not recall ever hearing Copy That on the radio. We were trained to use Niner for Nine because it was easier to be sure what you heard in a series of numbers. It is really important whether you meant Niner thousand or Five thousand feet. The only time I recall hearing Copy That was in the inane commercial where two actors were conversing with a series of Copy Thats. I have heard things like Copy Niner Thousand. To repeat a controllers instruction when it is very important to get it correctly.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

I always thought the phrase "Copy That" was a holdover from either pilot or
military lingo, much like saying "Niner" for the number 9.

73, Chas

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>I have QSOed with W4BQF at 70-90 WPM (thought it's been a few years...)
>The
> CW sounded fine, though don't know if Tom was running his K3 at the time.
> Personally, I never use QSK. I find it annoying to have the noise pop in
> between characters.
>
> Regarding the anti-contesters, to each their own. What grates on my
> nerves
> is hearing the newer hams start every transmission on 2m FM with "Copy
> that," the VHF version of "please copy..." :-)
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
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kevinr@coho.net

Re: QRQ CW

The made up "radio jargon" which bothers me the most is "over and out".
Which do you mean: over or out? They mean very different things and
CANNOT be used simultaneously. However, few TV writers have any
experience at comms.
73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

On 4/30/2014 9:58 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
> I eight years as a flier in the Air Force during the Vietnam era and 15 years as private, instrument rated pilot I do not recall ever hearing Copy That on the radio. We were trained to use Niner for Nine because it was easier to be sure what you heard in a series of numbers. It is really important whether you meant Niner thousand or Five thousand feet. The only time I recall hearing Copy That was in the inane commercial where two actors were conversing with a series of Copy Thats. I have heard things like Copy Niner Thousand. To repeat a controllers instruction when it is very important to get it correctly.
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart

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Jim Campbell

Re: QRQ CW

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I have my own definition of QRQ. It is anything faster than I can copy
at any given time.

73,

Jim - W4BQP
K2 #2268, KX3 #2857
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: QRQ CW

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I thought it as from CB as in "Copy that, Good
Buddy" :-)

73 Phil w7ox

On 4/30/14, 7:10 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> I always thought the phrase "Copy That" was a
> holdover from either pilot or military lingo,
> much like saying "Niner" for the number 9.
>
> 73, Chas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW
>
>
>> I have QSOed with W4BQF at 70-90 WPM (thought
>> it's been a few years...) The
>> CW sounded fine, though don't know if Tom was
>> running his K3 at the time.
>> Personally, I never use QSK. I find it
>> annoying to have the noise pop in
>> between characters.
>>
>> Regarding the anti-contesters, to each their
>> own. What grates on my nerves
>> is hearing the newer hams start every
>> transmission on 2m FM with "Copy
>> that," the VHF version of "please copy..." :-)
>>
>> Barry W2UP

Chester Alderman

Re: QRQ CW

In reply to this post by Jim Campbell

The International Q signal for QRQ is "Shall I send faster?" and does not
mention any specific speed.

73,

Tom - W4BQF
Licensed in 1953

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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

I have my own definition of QRQ. It is anything faster than I can copy at
any given time.

73,

Jim - W4BQP
K2 #2268, KX3 #2857
Licensed since 1953
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Re: QRQ CW

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And I have never seen the point of JT-anything or indeed any digital
mode except CW. But I understand that ham radio is many things to many
people, and think we should respect that.

On 4/30/2014 9:18 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>
> I have to fully agree, personally I have never seen the point of contesting, it all seems pretty pointless.
>
> In nearly every contest, I see the same thing contesters with little regard for other Amateurs.
>
> I like to run JT65 and SSTV and on on the CW and RTTY contest the JT65 Frequencies are Full
> with CW or RTTY and on the SSB contest the SSTV frequencies are full SSB voice contesters.
>
> And the typical response from contesters are "Use the WARC Bands".
>
> I guess some must have a need to do something to make themselves feel special.

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K3GGN

Re: QRQ CW

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TV radio jargon also has it as "six two and even, over and out" (Dick
Tracy maybe?)

K3GGN
~~~
On 4/30/2014 12:10 PM, Kevin wrote:

> The made up "radio jargon" which bothers me the most is "over and
> out". Which do you mean: over or out? They mean very different
> things and CANNOT be used simultaneously. However, few TV writers
> have any experience at comms.
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
> On 4/30/2014 9:58 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
>> I eight years as a flier in the Air Force during the Vietnam era and
>> 15 years as private, instrument rated pilot I do not recall ever
>> hearing Copy That on the radio. We were trained to use Niner for
>> Nine because it was easier to be sure what you heard in a series of
>> numbers. It is really important whether you meant Niner thousand or
>> Five thousand feet. The only time I recall hearing Copy That was in
>> the inane commercial where two actors were conversing with a series
>> of Copy Thats. I have heard things like Copy Niner Thousand. To
>> repeat a controllers instruction when it is very important to get it
>> correctly.
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: QRQ CW

The phrase "Over and Out" was a key part of the brief training lessons for the young female scientist near the beginning of the movie "Them!". She was being taught proper protocol of using the radio while searching for
giant ants in a helicopter.

K7PEH

On Apr 30, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Dean Jeutter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> TV radio jargon also has it as "six two and even, over and out" (Dick Tracy maybe?)
>
> K3GGN
> ~~~
> On 4/30/2014 12:10 PM, Kevin wrote:
>> The made up "radio jargon" which bothers me the most is "over and out". Which do you mean: over or out? They mean very different things and CANNOT be used simultaneously. However, few TV writers have any experience at comms.
>> 73,
>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>>
>>
>> On 4/30/2014 9:58 AM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I eight years as a flier in the Air Force during the Vietnam era and 15 years as private, instrument rated pilot I do not recall ever hearing Copy That on the radio. We were trained to use Niner for Nine because it was easier to be sure what you heard in a series of numbers. It is really important whether you meant Niner thousand or Five thousand feet. The only time I recall hearing Copy That was in the inane commercial where two actors were conversing with a series of Copy Thats. I have heard things like Copy Niner Thousand. To repeat a controllers instruction when it is very important to get it correctly.
>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
>>> K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
>>
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Vic Rosenthal

Re: QRQ CW

I think we should all keep this in mind in case we encounter giant ants
while operating. Possibly on Field Day?

On 4/30/2014 2:27 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> The phrase "Over and Out" was a key part of the brief training
> lessons for the young female scientist near the beginning of the
> movie "Them!". She was being taught proper protocol of using the
> radio while searching for giant ants in a helicopter.
>
> K7PEH

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Re: QRQ CW

On 4/30/2014 5:30 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
> I think we should all keep this in mind in case we encounter giant
> ants while operating. Possibly on Field Day?

You guys use a helicopter for field day? Cool! ;)

73, Ross N4RP
>
> On 4/30/2014 2:27 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> The phrase "Over and Out" was a key part of the brief training
>> lessons for the young female scientist near the beginning of the
>> movie "Them!". She was being taught proper protocol of using the
>> radio while searching for giant ants in a helicopter.
>>
>> K7PEH
>

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FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.”

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Re: OT Them

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The tunnel where the ants nest was in the movie was about 2 mi from
where I grew up. They were storm drains into the Los Angeles River, we
used to play in them.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/30/2014 2:27 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> The phrase "Over and Out" was a key part of the brief training lessons for the young female scientist near the beginning of the movie "Them!". She was being taught proper protocol of using the radio while searching for
> giant ants in a helicopter.
>
> K7PEH

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Re: OT Them

I love that movie! It will always be one of my favorite Cold War era
scifis.

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Re: QRQ CW

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On 4/30/2014 11:43 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> The International Q signal for QRQ is "Shall I send faster?" and does not
> mention any specific speed.

Technically, the "answer" form of QRQ is "QRQ nn" where nn is a desired
speed in WPM.

All this QRQ stuff has me curious now. At what sending speed would I
want to engage QRQ mode on my K3? I think I'd have to give up RIT/XIT,
and I think there was something else too. I never use XIT but I do use
RIT when I'm CQ'ing.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

PS: Casual contester. I did win JIDX for W6 once, however I was also
next to last. :-)

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