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alsopb

QRQ CW

There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send
QRQ CW.

For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
The answer was 30+ WPM average.
The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!

See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302

With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that
contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.

73 de Brian/K3KO

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Deni F5VJC

Re: QRQ CW

Yes agreed, there are QRQ Ops out there but a tiny minority reading in
excess of 50 WPM head copy, but keyboard sending of course.

Yes In CW contesting I agree the average is probably 30 WPM but above this
speed get ready for the inevitable Agn, Agn, my No. etc. Wasted time and
effort.

As for cut numbers... forget it. Except of course, the 5NN sync pulse and
zeroes, again wasted time and unnecessary repeats. Cut numbers are silly.

If you're making Q/s in excess of 50WPM in a contest what CW reader are
you using?..And of course these must be noise crushing Mega signals S9+++
no QRM, so your CW reader can cope.

Try this during the last day/hours of the contest when the peanut whistle
signals are S+P and you're desparate for those last points.

Yes the K3 just works,no problem, never any QSD at any speed.

Please let's not turn CW into 'Just another Digital mode' or you may as
well just go use RTTY or PSK 31 or whatever...

73, F5VJC

On 29 April 2014 22:07, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send
> QRQ CW.
>
> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
> See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>
> With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that
> contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
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mcduffie

Re: QRQ CW

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> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!

So are you saying 30wpm is now called QRQ? When did it creep that low? I
suppose it is a victim of the lack of CW requirement or something like that.

Gary
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Chester Alderman

Re: QRQ CW

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I am a QRQ operator and have been for about 30 years and of course I use a
keyboard for sending CW. In my opinion it is just silly to run much over
34/35 wpm during contest and I personally think one is hurting themselves by
'showing off'! Sometimes if I get irritated and find someone sending at 50
wpm in a contest, I will crank my K3 up to 80 wpm and respond to them, where
upon they rather quickly QRS a bit and ask for a repeat.

Both are just a silly thing to do IMHO.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of F5vjc
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 5:17 PM
To: Brian Alsop
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

Yes agreed, there are QRQ Ops out there but a tiny minority reading in
excess of 50 WPM head copy, but keyboard sending of course.

Yes In CW contesting I agree the average is probably 30 WPM but above this
speed get ready for the inevitable Agn, Agn, my No. etc. Wasted time and
effort.

As for cut numbers... forget it. Except of course, the 5NN sync pulse and
zeroes, again wasted time and unnecessary repeats. Cut numbers are silly.

If you're making Q/s in excess of 50WPM in a contest what CW reader are you
using?..And of course these must be noise crushing Mega signals S9+++ no
QRM, so your CW reader can cope.

Try this during the last day/hours of the contest when the peanut whistle
signals are S+P and you're desparate for those last points.

Yes the K3 just works,no problem, never any QSD at any speed.

Please let's not turn CW into 'Just another Digital mode' or you may as well
just go use RTTY or PSK 31 or whatever...

73, F5VJC

On 29 April 2014 22:07, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody
> send QRQ CW.
>
> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
> See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>
> With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that
> contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
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Re: QRQ CW

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I can copy 50 WPM on a good day, but when I encounter ops running higher speeds, or if the ol' synapses are dulled by a glass of vino, I eavesdrop using the built-in text decoder (K3 and KX3). I find such signals on 40 m during the day, usually. I think these ops are using keyboards, more often than not, based on the number of mistakes correlated to QWERTY.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send QRQ CW.
>
> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
> See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>
> With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: QRQ CW

Ah, Wayne, but can you keep up with the text on
the LCD after that second glass? :-)

Need more lines! Feature to add to the P3?

73 Phil w7ox

On 4/29/14, 4:43 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> I can copy 50 WPM on a good day, but when I encounter ops running higher speeds, or if the ol' synapses are dulled by a glass of vino, I eavesdrop using the built-in text decoder (K3 and KX3). I find such signals on 40 m during the day, usually. I think these ops are using keyboards, more often than not, based on the number of mistakes correlated to QWERTY.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send QRQ CW.
>>
>> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
>> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
>> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>>
>> See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>>
>> With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO

Chester Alderman

Re: QRQ CW

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The solution to the QWERTY 'problem' is to switch to a Dvorak key placement
keyboard!

When I began learning how to do QRQ, I could not send over about 40 wpm on
my QWERTY keyboard. A friend suggested I try the Dvorak board, which I did.
After about four months my typing speed was in excess of 100 wpm. I'm sure I
never could have done QRQ CW without changing to the Dvorak key placement
board.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:43 PM
To: Brian Alsop
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

I can copy 50 WPM on a good day, but when I encounter ops running higher
speeds, or if the ol' synapses are dulled by a glass of vino, I eavesdrop
using the built-in text decoder (K3 and KX3). I find such signals on 40 m
during the day, usually. I think these ops are using keyboards, more often
than not, based on the number of mistakes correlated to QWERTY.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Apr 29, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Brian Alsop <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There was a thread on QRQ CW here. Also a query about does anybody send
QRQ CW.
>
> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
> See: http://cqww.com/blog/?p=302
>
> With all the K3's being used by contesters, it doesn't appear that
contesters are running into QSD problems at 30+ WPM.

>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
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mcduffie

Re: QRQ CW

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> Not at all. There were a number of posters here who simply could not
> believe anybody could copy 30 WPM.

Really? :o(

> I thought it would be interesting to point out that several 1000
> contesters consider 30 WPM to a routine speed.

Agree.

> Of course to a no-coder, many Generals and Extras these days, 30 WPM
> might as well be 1000 WPM. In their eyes it is QRQ.

We used to consider speeds over about 45 to be QRQ. I still do. I certainly
don't consider myself a QRQ operator, and I regularly run at 30-35. My aging,
retired brain no longer does well at upper speeds. Because I had been off of HF
for over ten years when I retired, it took a long time to get back to being
comfy at 30. The brain just wouldn't keep up with the key when sending. Doing
better now, but I'm no QRQ op.

Gary
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mcduffie

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> Callsign Gary?

It's in the address! Also in the sig when I reply normally, which I didn't do
that time.

Gary
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A lot of contesters can manage a 30 WPM Contest QSO or even 50 WPM, but would be hard pressed to get solid copy of a 25 WPM Rag Chew or even slower with W1AW sending QST Text. I can get a DX call sign at 50 if I get to hear it several times and there is good signal strength and not too much QRM, but I don't claim to copy 50 WPM. I can get by with a few mistakes using paddles at 22 or 23 and a straight key at 25 or 26 but to QSO with DX or Contest at 30 to 50 I need my puter and the F keys programmed. So for copy speed I will claim no more than 25. As a contester, I have much better results if I keep my speed at 28 or below because the speed merchants who can call CQ at 30 to 50 often cannot copy your call at that speed. I think we would all have more fun and probably make more QSOs if we would slow down to about 1.2 times our Rag Chew speed, but I have a lot of fun the way things are, so I am not complaining.

Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRQ CW

> Not at all. There were a number of posters here who simply could not
> believe anybody could copy 30 WPM.

Really? :o(

> I thought it would be interesting to point out that several 1000
> contesters consider 30 WPM to a routine speed.

Agree.

> Of course to a no-coder, many Generals and Extras these days, 30 WPM
> might as well be 1000 WPM. In their eyes it is QRQ.

We used to consider speeds over about 45 to be QRQ. I still do. I certainly
don't consider myself a QRQ operator, and I regularly run at 30-35. My aging,
retired brain no longer does well at upper speeds. Because I had been off of HF
for over ten years when I retired, it took a long time to get back to being
comfy at 30. The brain just wouldn't keep up with the key when sending. Doing
better now, but I'm no QRQ op.

Gary
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Re: QRQ CW

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INT QRQ [also QRQ?]: "Shall I send faster?"
QRQ nn: "Send faster, nn WPM"

We hams nounify and verbify International Q-Signals all the time, and
QRQ in casual conversation means someone who sends and receives Morse at
rates generally higher than the normal proletariat on the CW bands and
in contests ... which tend to be higher than normal conversation, not a
whole lot to say and often it's predictable. :-)

The alleged Morse receiving record is held by Ted McElroy from sometime
in the first half of the 20th century ... around 75 WPM on text taken
from the newspaper. I do hear about those over 100 [units not always
specified], I really don't know how to interpret that.

I first met Joe, now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS when we were both
very much younger, I was 22 and he might have still been in his very
late teens, or maybe 20. Joe could head copy 50+ WPM. I think he still
can. I'd say he could paddle it too except I could *not* copy 50 WPM so
how would I know when he did send?

QRQ [as a noun meaning "very fast CW"] is a personal thing. It depends
on your Morse experience, how old you are, and other factors. Receiving
QRQ limit for me is around 40 WPM, but I doubt I'd try and engage D4C in
a debate at 40 wpm however. My limit with a paddle has declined to
around 25, maybe 28 on a good day, it's been inversely proportional to
the number of accumulated birthdays. For a CW newbie, 20 WPM character
speed and 12 WPM net speed could be QRQ ... a struggle.

My K3 has a QRQ mode [unused by me] that improves the keying and QSK at
very high speeds, most of which I think come from keyboards these days.
I hope we don't get back into the nonsense of Extra, Extra Lite, and
No Code Extras. You take the test on the day you take the test. It is
what it is right then. You pass, you get your license and it's as good
as mine from 1956 ... period. We're all in this together.

In the Summits On The Air crowd, a number of formerly SSB/FM-only ops
are actively learning CW. I know there are others. Every legal mode is
OK, and we're pretty good at sharing our spectrum allocations. Others on
the planet could actually learn from us.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/29/2014 2:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> For 2013 CQ WW contest N6TV did an analysis.
>> The answer was 30+ WPM average.
>> The top speeds were in excess of 50 WPM!
>
> So are you saying 30wpm is now called QRQ? When did it creep that low? I
> suppose it is a victim of the lack of CW requirement or something like that.

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Kevin Stover

Re: QRQ CW

Excellent post.

I learned more than ten years ago from a group of guys in the Black
Hills that slowing down to about 22-25 wpm when running gets more
answers than "showing off" and cranking the keyer up to 35+.
These guys can all do 50+ head copy but slow it down intentionally to
attract more contacts.
It works. For about 6 years in a row they were one of the top ten 1A
stations during field day.
Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.

On 4/29/2014 9:09 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> INT QRQ [also QRQ?]: "Shall I send faster?"
> QRQ nn: "Send faster, nn WPM"
>
> We hams nounify and verbify International Q-Signals all the time, and
> QRQ in casual conversation means someone who sends and receives Morse
> at rates generally higher than the normal proletariat on the CW bands
> and in contests ... which tend to be higher than normal conversation,
> not a whole lot to say and often it's predictable. :-)
>
> The alleged Morse receiving record is held by Ted McElroy from
> sometime in the first half of the 20th century ... around 75 WPM on
> text taken from the newspaper. I do hear about those over 100 [units
> not always specified], I really don't know how to interpret that.
>
> I first met Joe, now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS when we were
> both very much younger, I was 22 and he might have still been in his
> very late teens, or maybe 20. Joe could head copy 50+ WPM. I think
> he still can. I'd say he could paddle it too except I could *not*
> copy 50 WPM so how would I know when he did send?
>
> QRQ [as a noun meaning "very fast CW"] is a personal thing. It
> depends on your Morse experience, how old you are, and other factors.
> Receiving QRQ limit for me is around 40 WPM, but I doubt I'd try and
> engage D4C in a debate at 40 wpm however. My limit with a paddle has
> declined to around 25, maybe 28 on a good day, it's been inversely
> proportional to the number of accumulated birthdays. For a CW newbie,
> 20 WPM character speed and 12 WPM net speed could be QRQ ... a struggle.
>
> My K3 has a QRQ mode [unused by me] that improves the keying and QSK
> at very high speeds, most of which I think come from keyboards these
> days. I hope we don't get back into the nonsense of Extra, Extra
> Lite, and No Code Extras. You take the test on the day you take the
> test. It is what it is right then. You pass, you get your license
> and it's as good as mine from 1956 ... period. We're all in this
> together.
>
> In the Summits On The Air crowd, a number of formerly SSB/FM-only ops
> are actively learning CW. I know there are others. Every legal mode
> is OK, and we're pretty good at sharing our spectrum allocations.
> Others on the planet could actually learn from us.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
> - www.cqp.org

--
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
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Gerry Hull

Re: QRQ CW

I am accused by some of sending too fast in CW contests; I like fast. My
typical CQ speed in this years ARRL DX and CQWW contests was in the 35-42
wpm range. When the stations are loud, and the ops good, I stick with
40-44 WPM, but when the pile thins and there are less callers, I slow it
down. What I've found is that, in most contests, contrary to what Kevin
was saying, QRQ does not stop people from calling you. Many, many guys
come back to me on straight keys at 15-20 WPM but don't ask for QRS or
fills -- most contest exchanges are pretty darn easy. If the callers stop
calling, I often QRS to see if there are some people waiting to call but
can't copy. I find few. I also find that QSO Rate is directly affected
by speed. For me, the true sweet spot is in the 32-38 wpm range. Maybe a
bit slower in Sweepstakes. I don't consider these speeds "showing off".
(I also hate big swings in speed in the exchange!)

I was blessed when I was a teenager -- some 35 years ago -- to ragchew with
a bunch of friends on 40m who were into QRQ with keyboards. Gerry can you
copy? Yes? They would increase speed until I was barely able to copy. So
-- now general conversation at 50wpm is OK in my head. Ham-type QSOs I
can go much faster -- in the 60s probably. Many years of traffic
handling helped as well. Contest QSOs are very predictable -- so they are
so easy to copy.

One other note on speed... I operated W1AW/! from Massachusetts the first
day it was on... It was the first time that state was on 20m CW with the
'AW/1 call. The pile was HUGE, about 2.5 kHz wide. Everyone was loud and
the ops were great. So, I cranked the speed up to 48 wpm. It was GREAT!
No one left the pile (how hard is 5NN MA?) I had no QRS requests.

Since this is the K3 reflector, I'll say I use the K3 in QSK mode for all
my CW contesting -- I love it. Very smooth. The only issue I had this
year was so much loud backscatter, especially on 20 and 10m. The echoes
were so loud that it would really confuse if trying to send from the paddle
(which I rarely do!) Never an issue with the K3 driving an Alpha 87A in
QSK. Love it!

73, Gerry W1VE (AK4L back in the teenage years)

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Kevin Stover
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> Excellent post.
>
> I learned more than ten years ago from a group of guys in the Black Hills
> that slowing down to about 22-25 wpm when running gets more answers than
> "showing off" and cranking the keyer up to 35+.
> These guys can all do 50+ head copy but slow it down intentionally to
> attract more contacts.
> It works. For about 6 years in a row they were one of the top ten 1A
> stations during field day.
> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.
>
>
> On 4/29/2014 9:09 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>
>> INT QRQ [also QRQ?]: "Shall I send faster?"
>> QRQ nn: "Send faster, nn WPM"
>>
>> We hams nounify and verbify International Q-Signals all the time, and QRQ
>> in casual conversation means someone who sends and receives Morse at rates
>> generally higher than the normal proletariat on the CW bands and in
>> contests ... which tend to be higher than normal conversation, not a whole
>> lot to say and often it's predictable. :-)
>>
>> The alleged Morse receiving record is held by Ted McElroy from sometime
>> in the first half of the 20th century ... around 75 WPM on text taken from
>> the newspaper. I do hear about those over 100 [units not always
>> specified], I really don't know how to interpret that.
>>
>> I first met Joe, now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS when we were both
>> very much younger, I was 22 and he might have still been in his very late
>> teens, or maybe 20. Joe could head copy 50+ WPM. I think he still can.
>> I'd say he could paddle it too except I could *not* copy 50 WPM so how
>> would I know when he did send?
>>
>> QRQ [as a noun meaning "very fast CW"] is a personal thing. It depends
>> on your Morse experience, how old you are, and other factors. Receiving
>> QRQ limit for me is around 40 WPM, but I doubt I'd try and engage D4C in a
>> debate at 40 wpm however. My limit with a paddle has declined to around
>> 25, maybe 28 on a good day, it's been inversely proportional to the number
>> of accumulated birthdays. For a CW newbie, 20 WPM character speed and 12
>> WPM net speed could be QRQ ... a struggle.
>>
>> My K3 has a QRQ mode [unused by me] that improves the keying and QSK at
>> very high speeds, most of which I think come from keyboards these days. I
>> hope we don't get back into the nonsense of Extra, Extra Lite, and No Code
>> Extras. You take the test on the day you take the test. It is what it is
>> right then. You pass, you get your license and it's as good as mine from
>> 1956 ... period. We're all in this together.
>>
>> In the Summits On The Air crowd, a number of formerly SSB/FM-only ops are
>> actively learning CW. I know there are others. Every legal mode is OK,
>> and we're pretty good at sharing our spectrum allocations. Others on the
>> planet could actually learn from us.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>> - www.cqp.org
>>
>
>
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mcduffie

Re: QRQ CW

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On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:

> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.

You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
into DX, there was the annual DX contest.

Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
enjoy the bands.

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Re: QRQ CW

Probably also very disconcerting for many of those coming from a V/UHF background, with recently obtained HF privileges, who just want to have a meaningful QSO.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:
>
>> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
>> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.
>
> You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
> speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
> of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
> there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
> relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
> year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
> into DX, there was the annual DX contest.
>
> Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
> them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
> nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
> signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
> weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
> enjoy the bands.
>
> Gary
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: QRQ CW

BINGO!

Jeff - KG7HDZ

>
> Probably also very disconcerting for many of those coming from a V/UHF background, with recently obtained HF privileges, who just want to have a meaningful QSO.
>
>
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Re: QRQ CW

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Hi All,

I don't know if there is an "official" definition of QRQ, but 30 to 35 wpm
is pretty speedy compared to most. I can copy that, and maybe just a tad
bit faster, but not much, and don’t do it often enough anymore to be very
good at that speed. I'm not much good at trying to send at that speed,
however. That really takes more practice. When I was copying at those
"higher" speeds, it was usually with a "Mil", or just in my head.

There are a lot of folks out there enjoying some "real" QRQ, at speeds in
excess of 50 wpm. I think that is great, but it's not for me. A good
friend, Chuck, W5UXH, does that a good bit, and he like to create his own
keyboards. Now, Chuck is most capable without one, but he likes the
process. I remember years ago, when Chuck and I used to chat with some
regularity, he kept urging me to go faster! I don't know what his upper
limit is, but I sure wasn't able to test it!!! No keyboards back then.

I tend to agree that 30 wpm, more or less, is a good speed for contests.
For whatever reason, stations going much faster than that are harder for me
to copy unless their sig is really good. My keyer tends to be set around 25
wpm, and I move up or down about 5 wpm as dictated by the other station.
Seems to work for me 90% of the time.

I think I can almost always tell when a keyboard is being used. The spacing
is too perfect! Some folks fool me, but not many. Of course, the dead give
away is when you hear periods and apostrophes coming across with regularity.

Dave W7AQK

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Barry

Re: QRQ CW

I have QSOed with W4BQF at 70-90 WPM (thought it's been a few years...) The CW sounded fine, though don't know if Tom was running his K3 at the time. Personally, I never use QSK. I find it annoying to have the noise pop in between characters.

Regarding the anti-contesters, to each their own. What grates on my nerves is hearing the newer hams start every transmission on 2m FM with "Copy that," the VHF version of "please copy..." :-)

Barry W2UP

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: QRQ CW

In reply to this post by mcduffie

I'm with you on this, Gary. Too many contests
cluttering the bands these days; the list for one
month fills a page or more. In the past I
participated casually. Nowadays, not at all.

Phil w7ox

On 4/30/14, 5:53 AM, AG0N-3055 wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:49:18 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote:
>
>> Maybe if the big contest guns did the same we wouldn't have the visceral
>> anti-contest attitudes displayed, and get more people involved.
> You're talking to one of the anti crowd. It has nothing to do with
> speed. It has to do with the fact that most of us don't like the chaos
> of contests, and the fact that for some reason, people seem to think
> there needs to be some sort of contest every damned weekend. Boy do I
> relish the old days where there were less than a hand full of contests a
> year. The two main ones were Field Day and Sweepstakes. If you were
> into DX, there was the annual DX contest.
>
> Contests were something SPECIAL those days, and even I took part in
> them. They were fun because they were special. These days, there's
> nothing special at all about them. You can't even get a meaningful
> signal report now. Your 5NN, but would you repeat because you're too
> weak to copy. They are just another boring noisy weekend when you can't
> enjoy the bands.
>
> Gary

Charlie T, K3ICH

Re: QRQ CW

In reply to this post by Barry

I always thought the phrase "Copy That" was a holdover from either pilot or
military lingo, much like saying "Niner" for the number 9.

73, Chas

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>I have QSOed with W4BQF at 70-90 WPM (thought it's been a few years...)
>The
> CW sounded fine, though don't know if Tom was running his K3 at the time.
> Personally, I never use QSK. I find it annoying to have the noise pop in
> between characters.
>
> Regarding the anti-contesters, to each their own. What grates on my
> nerves
> is hearing the newer hams start every transmission on 2m FM with "Copy
> that," the VHF version of "please copy..." :-)
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
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