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How about a menu option for flashing or non-flasing delta f lamp?
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smartphone <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> </div><div>Date:02/18/2015 12:17 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: [hidden email] </div><div>Cc: [hidden email] </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown </div><div> </div>I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
Please leave it alone. The TX marker point to "B" and the
"SPLIT" with a border around it is enough. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Wayne > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. >> >> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. >>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with >>> *THREE* separate indicators: >>> >>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display >>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon >>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. >>> >>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since >>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >>>> cops on frequency. >>>> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >>>> in split operation, sure would be nice. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Harv >>>> K2PI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4
I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in
determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on and it will not help. I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that I forgot the extra button press. My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature. On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote: > How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate > SPLIT is turned on. > I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - > because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the > "up cops". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess >> up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users
might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) 73, Mitcn DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the > key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a > bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is > engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. > > Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to > determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and > select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same > frequency <G>! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate > feedback". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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Mitch,
Your brilliant mind is again on the case. I though a small shock delivered to the paddle would be a help. But seriously, I do think that a flashing delta frequency LED could help and I would like this option. I have sinned and never want to do so again. It seems that I want the K3 to keep me out of trouble. Well any reminder is welcome. The Flashing Led has my vote - it is an option. Elecraft are great. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mitch Wolfson DJØQN Sent: 18 February 2015 11:22 To: Joe Subich, W4TV; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) 73, Mitcn DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJØQN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the > key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a > bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is > engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. > > Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to > determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and > select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same > frequency <G>! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate > feedback". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and
PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find who the FDX is working. Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The flashing led is a good idea. Our visual system seems to be
programmed to pick up movement, that is perhaps why some might find it irritating. How many times is something invisible until it moves. However, the bigger problem I feel, illustrated yet again by the recent K1N operation is that too many folks just don't understand the concept of DXpedition split working. There was an almost constant conveyor belt of callers lined up on the K1N TX frequency, seemingly oblivious to the cops chasing the one before them off, they did exactly the same thing one after the other. You can provide all the split indications you like until you are blue in the face but if callers don't figure out they need to go split in the first instance, don't understand UP, nothing is gained. Education on how most DXpeds operate would reduce the current chaos. Accidents will happen, been there, done that, but that is what they will be, accidents not wilful. Regards, Mike VP8NO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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Sure. Put BW$nnnn; where nnnn is the bandwidth/10 desired in the macro
assigned to the key. So BW$0200; sets the bandwidth of the subrx to 2 kHz. On 18 Feb 2015 13:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to > have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after > holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the > bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find > who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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Hi Tony,
Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro Mine is as follows DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; BW$0100; Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz for 2.7KHz you would want BW$0270; MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to A Ab so that the main is in both ears and the sub in right ear only my 'clear' macro FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; undoes the audio mix On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to > have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after > holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the > bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find > who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on > keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a > flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, > given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3. It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red. So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta. When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red.
Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. Cheers, Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Thanks Vic and Brendan for your input. I will do that today.
N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Hi Tony, Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro Mine is as follows DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; BW$0100; Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz for 2.7KHz you would want BW$0270; MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to A Ab so that the main is in both ears and the sub in right ear only my 'clear' macro FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; undoes the audio mix On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ > and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B > to have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now > after holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up > the bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier > to find who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Wayne Burdick > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit > frequency on keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me > that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they > will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by Vic Rosenthal
To add a little more fuel to the fire there is another option that could
keep the two sides happy. If the main display was to show the active frequency on RX and on TX. I.E when in split mode change the main display to the TX frequency the RX freq then being shown on the sub display and reverting back as you go back to RX. This feature could be enabled or disabled by a flag in config. I am sure there are many more alternatives that are worthy of a consideration. 73 de Tony G6GLP On 18/02/2015 11:10, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in > determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! > Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on > and it will not help. > > I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as > well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I > was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that > I forgot the extra button press. > > My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. > Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the > much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature. > > On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate >> SPLIT is turned on. >> I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - >> because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the >> "up cops". >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess >>> up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >>> >>> Wayne > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Bob Harvey - K2PI
Can we have the radio shout "UP! UP! UP!" and then an exasperated "idiot"?
Thanks, Jeff > From: Ken Chandler <[hidden email]> > To: "<[hidden email]>" <[hidden email]> > Cc: > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:07:09 +0000 > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency > on keydown > Wayne > The radio has recording playback ability. > Why not! Put a pre recorded fixed / user enabled, audible warning message > when out of SPLIT mode! > Ken.. G0ORH - M3i Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by wb6rse1
I think Steve has it correct. Everybody engaged in this discussion obviously understands how to get in and out of split and knows when to use it. I believe that the 3 existing visual indicators on the K3 are adequate. I think the problem occurs because we are not looking at the K3. We are concentrating on the audio and studying our P3 and computer monitor(s). We might be turning the VFO-B knob but we're not necessarily looking at the radio. So when we hear "UP" we don't even realize that we are the offender.
73, Mike K2MK
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split.
I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. Doug VE3VS Wayne said.... Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. .......that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually doing what we wanted it to do. |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
Instead of flashing the Delta-F LED that is on the far left of the radio,
would it not be more effective to flash the "SPLT" indicator, "TX" indicator and arrow in the display just like the "TX" flashes when in test mode? After all, this is where your attention is usually focused. To be most effective, do not make the flashing optional. 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:48 AM To: Dwayne Rohmer Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I like it. Wayne On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Dwayne Rohmer <[hidden email]> wrote: > How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >>> -- >>> Thanks and 73's, >>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >>> www.nk7z.net >>> for MixW support see; >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >>> for Dopplergram information see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >>> for MM-SSTV see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by wayne burdick
I agree with Eric ... the Delta-F lamp is the *third* indicator of split operation and is already rather bright even when MENU:LED BRT is reduced to near the minimum. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 1:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by Doug VE3VS
I know that it's not the K3 display, but I have my MicroHam Keyer II LCD setup
in that way. Normally the top display line shows the K3 VFO A and the bottom line VFO B. When transmitting in SPLIT the top line changes to display the same frequency as the bottom line. Very easy to see.... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:23:50 -0700 (MST), Doug VE3VS wrote: > I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged > me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions > (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of > VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know > about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that > should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had > what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency > readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with > even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I > have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV > button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I > really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it > would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split. > > I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. > Doug VE3VS > > Wayne said.... > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during > key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B > display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > .......that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually > doing what we wanted it to do. > > > -- > View this message in context: cy-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598836.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
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In reply to this post by Mitch Wolfson, DJØQN / K7DX
> Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users > might switch off the test mode on purpose. The software can enable it as quickly as the user can disable it <G>. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 6:21 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJØQN wrote: > Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users > might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should > induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that > when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) > > 73, > Mitcn DJ0QN > > Mitch Wolfson > DJØQN / K7DX > Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn > Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 > > On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the >> key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a >> bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is >> engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. >> >> Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to >> determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and >> select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same >> frequency <G>! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate >> feedback". >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >>> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >>> >>> Wayne >> > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In reply to this post by Cady, Fred
What a good idea! Also, why not just write SPLIT on the screen
someplace of the P3, and flash the Delta-F light. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 05:22 -0700, Cady, Fred wrote: > What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3. It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red. So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta. When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red. > > Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. > > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > > -- > > Thanks and 73's, > > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > > www.nk7z.net > > for MixW support see; > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > for Dopplergram information see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > > for MM-SSTV see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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