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Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Bob Harvey - K2PI
Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX cops on frequency.

Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.

73
Harv
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.

The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
*THREE* separate indicators:

1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.

Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:

> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
> cops on frequency.
>
> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>
> 73
> Harv
> K2PI
>
>
>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

wayne burdick
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I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.

However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough?

Wayne
N6KR


On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.
>
> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
> *THREE* separate indicators:
>
> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.
>
> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.
>
> 73,
>
>  ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:
>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
>> cops on frequency.
>>
>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
>> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>
>> 73
>> Harv
>> K2PI
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

wayne burdick
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Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne


On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
>
> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>
>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
>> *THREE* separate indicators:
>>
>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.
>>
>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:
>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
>>> cops on frequency.
>>>
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
>>> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Harv
>>> K2PI
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Rick WA6NHC
I'm used to it the way it is now.  If I don't notice the SPLIT on the
display and the YELLOW delta, the up cops remind me posthaste. :o)

Rick wa6nhc

On 2/17/2015 4:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
>>
>> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough?
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR

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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Bob Harvey - K2PI
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Would that be obnoxious enough? 

Please forget it.  I asked what I thought was a serious question because the visual indicators don’t always seem obvious to me, and I get two separate replies that belittle my question.  I can live with it as I have lived with the other peculiarities of the K3.

K2PI

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:38 PM, wayne burdick [via Elecraft] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.

Wayne


On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
>
> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>
>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
>> *THREE* separate indicators:
>>
>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.
>>
>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:
>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
>>> cops on frequency.
>>>
>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
>>> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Harv
>>> K2PI
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
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Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the
key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a
bit counter intuitive.  The *three* current indicators that split is
engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI.

Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to
determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and
select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same
frequency <G>!   Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate
feedback".

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect.
>>
>> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough?
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me
>>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>>
>>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with
>>> *THREE* separate indicators:
>>>
>>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display
>>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon
>>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack.
>>>
>>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since
>>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote:
>>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift
>>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split?  I
>>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply
>>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX
>>>> cops on frequency.
>>>>
>>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am
>>>> in split operation, sure would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Harv
>>>> K2PI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Don Wilhelm-4
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How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
SPLIT is turned on.
I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
"up cops".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>
> Wayne
>
>

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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Bob Harvey - K2PI
Please just forget I asked.  I give, I give!

K2PI

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] <[hidden email]> wrote:
How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
SPLIT is turned on.
I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
"up cops".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>
> Wayne
>
>

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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
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Maybe add speech recognition to the DSP code, so it can recognize when
the DX station says it's working split, the radio will refuse to
transmit on VFO A.

On 2/17/2015 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
> SPLIT is turned on.
> I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
> because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
> "up cops".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't
>> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>>
>> Wayne

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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Will Ravenel
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I use MacLoggerDX for my logging program and it automatically applies split to my K3 when selecting a frequency that is spotted as working split. Works great for hunting DX but you’re on your own again in a contest where using spotting aids is not allowed. In this case I’ve become accustomed to looking for the VFO B marker in the P3 display to be sure I’ve got split applied.

Will, AI4VE
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

wb6rse1
THE simplest solution is for the op to just simply pay attention.

Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Bob Harvey - K2PI
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Please let it die.  I know now that I was just terribly wrong to ask for a feature that the experts here agree had already been implemented correctly. Let it rest.

K2PI

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT [via Elecraft] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Maybe add speech recognition to the DSP code, so it can recognize when
the DX station says it's working split, the radio will refuse to
transmit on VFO A.

On 2/17/2015 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate
> SPLIT is turned on.
> I don't know how to announce that it is off  when it should be on -
> because that is the normal condition.  I guess one has to rely on the
> "up cops".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't
>> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX.
>>
>> Wayne
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

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That's always a worthy goal. But if enough users have trouble keeping track of a particular state, it's incumbent on the UI designer to come up with a better indication.

Wayne
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

k6dgw
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Joe is right Wayne, you've done a good job, LATFD [look at the ...
display!]  Chasing K1N, I had N1MM running to send for me at 35 WPM, and
it puts a big SPLIT! in front of me.  That helped too.

But if you're going to change things, on another subject, I'd like you
to put my Sweepstakes exchange into VFO B when I'm operating in that SSB
contest and step on the footswitch.  I can never remember it quickly
enough. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 2/17/2015 4:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT"
> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't
> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split
> TX.
>
> Wayne
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

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Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

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I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion.

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> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

Dwayne Rohmer
How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH)

73,

Dwayne WV5I

On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
>> --
>> Thanks and 73's,
>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>> www.nk7z.net
>> for MixW support see;
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>> for Dopplergram information see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>> for MM-SSTV see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

wayne burdick
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I like it.

Wayne

On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Dwayne Rohmer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH)
>
> 73,
>
> Dwayne WV5I
>
> On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
>>> --
>>> Thanks and 73's,
>>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>>> www.nk7z.net
>>> for MixW support see;
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>>> for Dopplergram information see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>>> for MM-SSTV see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown

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I would like to have the ability to see the split as a Delta frequency display.

It is a feature on my old TS180S that I miss on the K3.

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:38:31 -0600, Dwayne Rohmer wrote:
> How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH)
>
> 73,
>
> Dwayne WV5I
>
> On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a
flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given
this discussion.

>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split?
>>> --
>>> Thanks and 73's,
>>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>>> www.nk7z.net
>>> for MixW support see;
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>>> for Dopplergram information see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>>> for MM-SSTV see:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>>>
>
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