The K3 in comprison to the Big Guns
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That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question.
How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures certainly don't help! |
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Shane,
One could say "Its all in the advertising" - or "its all smoke and mirrors". Just take a look at Rob Sherwood's reports and you will see which is the better performer (regardless of pricing) - the K3 is at the top of the list. The K3 does not include a built-in power supply, and that may account for a bit of the weight difference (but not all). I believe the real answer is that the Elecraft K3 offers a top performance transceiver at a fair price, and the glitz that is added with bandscopes and other such built-ins on the competitive transceivers are options (or future options) for the K3 - with the K3, you can pay only for what you need rather than a lot of glitz and glamor (those glossy brochures cost money that must be recovered in the product cost). 73, Don W3FPR Shane White wrote: > That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. > > How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu > FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over > 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes > the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on > earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can > the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? > > These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures > certainly don't help! > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
The K3 in comprison to the Big Guns
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In reply to this post by VK5ABQ
Looks like it works out to 46.5# of "fluff", at $193.54 per pound. (:-))
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Think that is bad, consider the K2 and when it came out. Late 90s.
It set the standard by which other rigs were judged. Beyond that, now days I see a lot of folks doing things, where they only understand the 'surface' of the problem. Considering that the 'devil is in the details', this is often a bad thing. It is about design considerations, what is important to the engineer, and what they are willing to compromise on, and how much say they have in that. With Elecraft, it is designed by engineers that happen to like radio. And since they run things, the get to say how things are done. Some other rigs are designed by the marketing staff, and committees, or so it seems. Dave Wilburn K4DGW K2/100 - S/N 5982 K3/100 - S/N 766 "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know." Shane White wrote: > That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. > > How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu > FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over > 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes > the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on > earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can > the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? > > These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures > certainly don't help! Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Money isn´t the answer to everything!!! This I did learn
many many moons ago. / SM2EKM -------------------------- > > Shane White wrote: >> That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. >> >> How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu >> FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over >> 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes >> the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on >> earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can >> the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? >> >> These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures >> certainly don't help! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns [OT]
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IMO one area where the IC-7700 and co. win out is in ergonomics, especially
for those of us who are members of the Terminally Bewildered club (tired eyes, colour blindness). Given the extra real estate this may seem like a daft comparison, but the FTDX-9000's tuning knob(s) and the IC-7700 / IC-7800 display are excellent. Having said that the K3's use of the available panel space is outstanding! Is an IC-7700 worth the price of 2 x K3? Quite possibly, the first two shipments are sold out, from the Yahoo! list users are delighted. Now back to the programming... Simon Brown, HB9DRV -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jan Erik Holm" <[hidden email]> > Money isn´t the answer to everything!!! This I did learn > many many moons ago. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Maybe you need to ask Icom and Yaesu why they charge so much for their
rigs. Bob Serwy - N9RS -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Shane White Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:06 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] The K3 in comprison to the Big Guns That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures certainly don't help! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/The-K3-in-comprison-to-the-Big-Guns-tp17267266p1726726 6.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns [OT]
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Simon, they might have been even more delighted with a K3! (We shall never
know.) If being sold out is a measure of satisfaction, I shouldn think the K3's order backlog would put it at the top of the list :-) 73 to all Geoff G3UCK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Brown (HB9DRV)" <[hidden email]> Is an IC-7700 worth the price of 2 x K3? Quite possibly, the first two shipments are sold out, from the Yahoo! list users are delighted. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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If you read the eHam.net reviews for the IC-7700 one thing stands out:
'Build Quality', followed by ergonomics, people are willing to pay for this. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6708?page=1 - well worth reading. I would willingly pay a lot for a K3 in a 19" case. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Serwy" <[hidden email]> > Maybe you need to ask Icom and Yaesu why they charge so much for their > rigs. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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<quote author="Simon Brown (HB9DRV)">
I would willingly pay a lot for a K3 in a 19" case. Simon Brown, HB9DRV I think you just described the beginnings of a K4 <8^) |
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How many units high?
-- We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. - William Somerset Maugham, writer (1874-1965) On 16 May 2008, at 09:43, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: > I would willingly pay a lot for a K3 in a 19" case. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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IC-7800 height or even a tad more. I'm not a fan of making radios as small
as possible. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]> > How many units high? > > On 16 May 2008, at 09:43, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: > >> I would willingly pay a lot for a K3 in a 19" case. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Please...please excuse me for being overly simplistic.. but, I just cannot
help myself ! :) Shane, your questions and bewilderment are certainly understandable... but, think of it this way... a 1-inch solid cube of lead might cost a few dollars... a 1-inch hollow cube of gold might cost several hundred dollars... The gold sure does look nice... but which one would you rather have as a paper weight ? 73, Joe - W1AIU Shane White wrote: >> That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. >> >> How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu >> FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over >> 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes >> the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on >> earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can >> the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? >> >> These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures >> certainly don't help! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thanks Simon. I will.
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Perhaps not, but a lot of people don't have the luxury of large rooms to operate in. With the box room I have to use, I wouldn't have the space for an IC-7400 even if I could afford one (or manage to carry it up the stairs without hospitalizing myself with a back injury!) The K3 is just about perfect for my situation.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Or, to make an analogy more along the lines of manufactured products...
What has better performance? A 10-ton Mack truck or a 1500-lb F1 Ferrari? That said, there are ergonomic considerations that may be compromised in the smaller design (as they are in the Ferrari). 73, Dave KQ3T Joe Stofko wrote: > Please...please excuse me for being overly simplistic.. but, I just cannot > help myself ! :) Shane, your questions and bewilderment are certainly > understandable... but, think of it this way... > > a 1-inch solid cube of lead might cost a few dollars... > a 1-inch hollow cube of gold might cost several hundred dollars... > The gold sure does look nice... but which one would you > rather have as a paper weight ? > > 73, > > Joe - W1AIU > > Shane White wrote: > >>> That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. >>> >>> How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu >>> FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over >>> 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes >>> the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on >>> earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can >>> the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? >>> >>> These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures >>> certainly don't help! >>> _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hi Dave,
Right you are! Actually, Shane's thinking is a bit flawed. He equates performance with product price and weight. And, neither should be part of the criteria. We have, sadly, become the victims of marketing. We are slammed with it every day. The product that costs more, MUST (somehow) be better than it's cheaper competition ! As Elecraft proves. that's not always true ! 73, Joe - W1AIU ________________________________________ From: Dave KQ3T [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:36 AM To: Joe Stofko Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comprison to the Big Guns Or, to make an analogy more along the lines of manufactured products... What has better performance? A 10-ton Mack truck or a 1500-lb F1 Ferrari? That said, there are ergonomic considerations that may be compromised in the smaller design (as they are in the Ferrari). 73, Dave KQ3T Joe Stofko wrote: Please...please excuse me for being overly simplistic.. but, I just cannot help myself ! :) Shane, your questions and bewilderment are certainly understandable... but, think of it this way... a 1-inch solid cube of lead might cost a few dollars... a 1-inch hollow cube of gold might cost several hundred dollars... The gold sure does look nice... but which one would you rather have as a paper weight ? 73, Joe - W1AIU Shane White wrote: That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures certainly don't help! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I think that's an unreasonable statement Joe. Please have another read of my initial post. I didn't make any such assumption, I merely questioned the relative cost and performance of some radios.
No 73's for you. Shane.
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In reply to this post by Dave KQ3T
How about a Cuban Cigar and a Camel Cigarette?
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It's the MOJO!!!
Gary, N7HTS K2 with 15 watts of mojo power. On Thu, 15 May 2008 21:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Shane White <[hidden email]> wrote: > > That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. > > How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu >FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over > 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes > the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on > earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can > the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? > > These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures > certainly don't help! > -- > View this message in context: >http://www.nabble.com/The-K3-in-comprison-to-the-Big-Guns-tp17267266p17267266.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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