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From the wire tables, I think you'll find that doubling the number of wires
will result in an equivalent of one cable 3 wire sizes larger. That is, two #18 wires equals one #15 ( and yes, I KNOW there isn't any #15 wire easily available). Likewise, two #12 wires is the same as one #9. So, from this, the hassle of using two #12 wires is only slightly better than one #10, but not quite as good as one #8. Obviously, every installation may be unique, so use the largest you're comfortable with. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 6:39 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Voltage drop in DC Power to K3 On 4/26/2020 10:18 AM, Pete Lascell wrote: > When making connections unravel a few outside strands and cut off so the remaining strands will fit the terminals being used correctly. The smaller (higher resistance) section of cable will be only part of an inch. Heatshrink tubing will cover the unsightly chop job. Yep. And I've also used W1ZR's solution of two of the same size cables in parallel. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/26/2020 7:28 PM, N4ZR wrote:
> did you have to draw a Colpitts oscillator? IIRC, that was on my > General exam in 1955. Yep. It was one of several we had to learn. :) > With the power strip, what's wrong with measuring the voltage in and > out, knowing the current being drawn, and deriving the resistance from > that? Because most instrumentation available to hams isn't accurate enough. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the
exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley with its "Tickler Coil," but the FCC seemed fixated on the Colpitts for some reason. The schematic and operation of a dual-triode 1-shot was also popular. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 4/26/2020 7:28 PM, N4ZR wrote: > As for the licensing tests, did you have to draw a Colpitts > oscillator? IIRC, that was on my General exam in 1955. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/26/2020 8:33 PM, Charlie T wrote:
> From the wire tables, I think you'll find that doubling the number of wires > will result in an equivalent of one cable 3 wire sizes larger. Yep. Three wire gauges is double the cross sectional area. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The Colpitts oscillator was regarded as being the most stable oscillator, which is why it probably was always there, and it was indeed on my test in the mid-60's. But the Hartley oscillator was also on my test if I remember correctly, as was the tuned-plate tuned grid oscillator. If I remember correctly, I had to identify each of at least three oscillator types. The series tuned Colpitts (aka Clapp oscillator) might have been there ... maybe the Pierce crystal oscillator also. I remember that I was required to be able to tell a bunch of them apart. Dave AB7E On 4/27/2020 11:03 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the > exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra > ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on > theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts > uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley > with its "Tickler Coil," but the FCC seemed fixated on the Colpitts > for some reason. The schematic and operation of a dual-triode 1-shot > was also popular. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Mine was the push-pull triode RF amplifier (not "linear"!), making sure
to show the neutralization circuit. They didn't want any high-powered self-excited oscillators on the bands! 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 27/04/2020 21:03, Fred Jensen wrote: > What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the > exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra > ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on > theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts > uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley > with its "Tickler Coil," but the FCC seemed fixated on the Colpitts for > some reason. The schematic and operation of a dual-triode 1-shot was > also popular. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 4/26/2020 7:28 PM, N4ZR wrote: >> As for the licensing tests, did you have to draw a Colpitts >> oscillator? IIRC, that was on my General exam in 1955. Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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It was on the 2nd phone as well!
Not sure if it was one I had to draw or just identify. My recollection is that the 2nd phone was much much harder than the present Extra. My commercial licenses were 1959. My Ham license is 2007. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Fred Jensen Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 2:03 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley with its "Tickler Coil," but the FCC seemed fixated on the Colpitts for some reason. The schematic and operation of a dual-triode 1-shot was also popular. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 4/26/2020 7:28 PM, N4ZR wrote: > As for the licensing tests, did you have to draw a Colpitts > oscillator? IIRC, that was on my General exam in 1955. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 4/27/2020 11:03 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the > exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra > ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on > theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts > uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley > with its "Tickler Coil," but the FCC seemed fixated on the Colpitts for > some reason. The schematic and operation of a dual-triode 1-shot was > also popular. They had to pick one of the two, and the rest was inertia. The Second Telegraph exam that I took about 8 years ago had the same questions as the one that you took "back when". Who remembers "transconductance" :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I would imagine that a lot of people still know what transconductance is. That's how FETs work ... voltage control of current. Dave AB7E On 4/27/2020 8:06 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > The Second Telegraph exam that I took about 8 years ago had the same > questions as the one that you took "back when". Who remembers > "transconductance" :) > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 2020-04-27 11:06 p.m., Phil Kane wrote:
> On 4/27/2020 11:03 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> What was it with the FCC and the Colpitts oscillator schematic on the >> exams in the 50's/early 60's? It was on my General ['54] and Extra >> ['56] exams, and practically everyone else I've asked says it was on >> theirs too. There are other oscillator circuits of the day. Colpitts >> uses capacitive feedback which is somewhat more stable than a Hartley [snip] > > They had to pick one of the two, and the rest was inertia. Umm... there were three main oscillator types when I was first learning electronics. Colpitts, Hartley, and Armstrong. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include <disclaimer/favourite> | --Chris Hardwick ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired locomotive}
from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. 73 Bob, K4TAX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take
and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when they realized they were facing a different version of the test with different questions. 73, Jim - W4BQP On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired locomotive} > from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 blocks to the > Post Office building where the FCC administered the tests. I took the > 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a First Class Radio > Telephone license on the first try. I recall many much older folks > seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some commented "what's > this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it several times > without success. I spent the night with an old maid school teacher > and relative in Memphis. I took my General class license test the > next morning in the same place. The CW receiving portion, in the > concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, sounded like > marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So was that a T > followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one too. Then I rode > the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. Yes there were > several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I recall. That > was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Anybody remember the Bash books?
-de John NI0K Jim Campbell wrote on 4/28/2020 9:55 AM: > While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take > and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I > was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you > had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants > tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could > when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next > time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when > they realized they were facing a different version of the test with > different questions. > > 73, > > Jim - W4BQP > > On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired >> locomotive} from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 >> blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the >> tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a >> First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many >> much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some >> commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it >> several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid >> school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class >> license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving >> portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, >> sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So >> was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one >> too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. >> Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I >> recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Yes, and they changed the questions often to try to put him out of
business. Now they just publish them themselves. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 10:32 John Simmons <[hidden email]> wrote: > Anybody remember the Bash books? > > -de John NI0K > > Jim Campbell wrote on 4/28/2020 9:55 AM: > > While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take > > and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I > > was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you > > had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants > > tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could > > when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next > > time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when > > they realized they were facing a different version of the test with > > different questions. > > > > 73, > > > > Jim - W4BQP > > > > On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > >> As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired > >> locomotive} from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 > >> blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the > >> tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a > >> First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many > >> much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some > >> commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it > >> several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid > >> school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class > >> license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving > >> portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, > >> sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So > >> was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one > >> too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. > >> Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I > >> recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. > >> > >> 73 > >> > >> Bob, K4TAX > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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While I was taking the Advanced written test the phone in the room rang. The test administrator picked it up, listened a bit. Then a look of disgust appeared on his face. Then he lowered the phone, looked around the room and asked "HAS ANYBODY SEEN A BASH BOOK HERE?" We all grinned back at him and shook our heads.He picked the phone back up said " no one has seen your Bash book" hung up the phone and we continued with our exams.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John Simmons <[hidden email]> Date: 4/28/20 11:32 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Colpitts mystery Anybody remember the Bash books?-de John NI0KJim Campbell wrote on 4/28/2020 9:55 AM:> While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take > and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I > was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you > had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants > tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could > when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next > time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when > they realized they were facing a different version of the test with > different questions.>> 73,>> Jim - W4BQP>> On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:>> As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired >> locomotive} from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 >> blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the >> tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a >> First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many >> much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some >> commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it >> several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid >> school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class >> license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving >> portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, >> sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So >> was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one >> too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. >> Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I >> recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences.>>>> 73>>>> Bob, K4TAX>>> ______________________________________________________________> Elecraft mailing list> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm> Post: mailto:[hidden email]>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The FCC question pool was always published by the Government Printing
Office. There were no answers though. All the study guides of the day were based on that pool including the ARRL License Manual. Except for the Novice exam, I took General (Boston), Advanced and Extra (Long Beach) at FCC offices. When I took the Novice exam in 1957, my dad was Exec Officer for the 4th Regimental Combat Team at Fort Devens, MA. He found a PFC/ham within the ranks who administered the code exam. The PFC was shaking more than I was. I don't think he wanted to fail me. They were on bivouac at the time so I took it in the guy's squad tent sitting on his locker with a J-38 strapped to my leg. FCC field offices were nicer. Eric KE6US On 4/28/2020 8:49 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > Yes, and they changed the questions often to try to put him out of > business. Now they just publish them themselves. > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 10:32 John Simmons <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Anybody remember the Bash books? >> >> -de John NI0K >> >> Jim Campbell wrote on 4/28/2020 9:55 AM: >>> While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take >>> and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I >>> was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you >>> had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants >>> tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could >>> when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next >>> time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when >>> they realized they were facing a different version of the test with >>> different questions. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jim - W4BQP >>> >>> On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>>> As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired >>>> locomotive} from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 >>>> blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the >>>> tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a >>>> First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many >>>> much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some >>>> commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it >>>> several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid >>>> school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class >>>> license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving >>>> portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, >>>> sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So >>>> was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one >>>> too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. >>>> Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I >>>> recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > . Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Originally question pool was not published. The people who taught quickie courses and published exam guides did not have licenses they would take exam, fail it and report new questions.
Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:50, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote: > > The FCC question pool was always published by the Government Printing Office. There were no answers though. All the study guides of the day were based on that pool including the ARRL License Manual. > > Except for the Novice exam, I took General (Boston), Advanced and Extra (Long Beach) at FCC offices. When I took the Novice exam in 1957, my dad was Exec Officer for the 4th Regimental Combat Team at Fort Devens, MA. He found a PFC/ham within the ranks who administered the code exam. The PFC was shaking more than I was. I don't think he wanted to fail me. They were on bivouac at the time so I took it in the guy's squad tent sitting on his locker with a J-38 strapped to my leg. FCC field offices were nicer. > > Eric KE6US > >> On 4/28/2020 8:49 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: >> Yes, and they changed the questions often to try to put him out of >> business. Now they just publish them themselves. >> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 10:32 John Simmons <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Anybody remember the Bash books? >>> >>> -de John NI0K >>> >>> Jim Campbell wrote on 4/28/2020 9:55 AM: >>>> While in college, I co-oped with the FCC in Atlanta, GA. I had to take >>>> and pass my Radiotelephone First and General class licenses before I >>>> was allowed to administer those exams. If you did not pass a test you >>>> had to wait 30 days before you could take it again. Some applicants >>>> tried to game the system by memorizing as many questions as they could >>>> when they first took the test so it would give them a leg up the next >>>> time. On the second attempt there were usually howls of anguish when >>>> they realized they were facing a different version of the test with >>>> different questions. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jim - W4BQP >>>> >>>> On 4/28/2020 10:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>>>> As a 17 year old, I rode the train {pulled by a coal fired >>>>> locomotive} from Fulton, KY to Memphis, TN. I had to walk about 8 >>>>> blocks to the Post Office building where the FCC administered the >>>>> tests. I took the 4 elements and passed all 4 of them earning me a >>>>> First Class Radio Telephone license on the first try. I recall many >>>>> much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the tests. Some >>>>> commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had taken it >>>>> several times without success. I spent the night with an old maid >>>>> school teacher and relative in Memphis. I took my General class >>>>> license test the next morning in the same place. The CW receiving >>>>> portion, in the concrete basement with metal desks and metal chairs, >>>>> sounded like marbles being dropped into a galvanized wash tub. So >>>>> was that a T followed by an E or was that and H? Passed that one >>>>> too. Then I rode the bus from Memphis back to my home in Martin TN. >>>>> Yes there were several circuits to identify, and some to draw, as I >>>>> recall. That was 60 years ago. Glad I had the experiences. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> . > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The time of which I speak was in the mid-1950s. As I vaguely remember
there was study material that prepared you to be a knowledgeable ham. There was also a big book that prepared you technically to be a radio station engineer. At a later time there was a one-day cram course to prepare you for the exam for first phone. Before my time if you had a radiotelephone certificate you had to have a certain amount of experience working at a commercial station in order to renew your license. 73, Jim - W4BQP On 4/28/2020 11:31 AM, John Simmons wrote: > Anybody remember the Bash books? > > -de John NI0K > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I got my Novice in 1972 in Boise Idaho. I don’t remember if there was an
FCC office there. Would they have gone to other cities to administer exams, or did they have VE’s by then? My dad and I both tested together. Mike AI4NS On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:49 Jim Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote: > The time of which I speak was in the mid-1950s. As I vaguely remember > there was study material that prepared you to be a knowledgeable ham. > There was also a big book that prepared you technically to be a radio > station engineer. At a later time there was a one-day cram course to > prepare you for the exam for first phone. Before my time if you had a > radiotelephone certificate you had to have a certain amount of > experience working at a commercial station in order to renew your license. > > 73, > > Jim - W4BQP > > On 4/28/2020 11:31 AM, John Simmons wrote: > > Anybody remember the Bash books? > > > > -de John NI0K > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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