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Jim Brown-10

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

On 4/28/2020 7:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> That was 60 years ago.

Great story, Bob. I grew up in Huntington, WV, and took the exams on the
4 times a year visits to Charleston by the examiner. It was a long
narrow room in the basement of a federal building there, with 40 desks
and a center aisle. A paper tape and audio oscillator sent CW.
Applicants filed in, took the CW exam, and those who weren't in the
first two rows filed out, because the sound echoed through the room. I
failed there twice, finally passed it in Washington, DC in the office
there. My folks worked for the C&O Ry, and were able to get me a pass on
the mainline, which ran through Huntington to DC. I stayed overnight
with an uncle and aunt who lived there. I was 15.

I passed the Extra and First Phone in Cincinnati at the office there
three years later.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I remember in 1976 getting my novice ticket and the test was administered by the local club officers (same 3 guys who taught the class), but in 1977-ish I had to go to the FCC field office in San Diego (the closest one to me at the time) to take the General tests. I guess they could give novice tests but not much of anything else. I was young then and really didn’t concern myself with the details. ;-)

73,

David - N5DCH

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Mike Short <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I got my Novice in 1972 in Boise Idaho. I don’t remember if there was an
> FCC office there. Would they have gone to other cities to administer exams,
> or did they have VE’s by then? My dad and I both tested together.
> Mike
> AI4NS
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:49 Jim Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> The time of which I speak was in the mid-1950s. As I vaguely remember
>> there was study material that prepared you to be a knowledgeable ham.
>> There was also a big book that prepared you technically to be a radio
>> station engineer. At a later time there was a one-day cram course to
>> prepare you for the exam for first phone. Before my time if you had a
>> radiotelephone certificate you had to have a certain amount of
>> experience working at a commercial station in order to renew your license.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim - W4BQP
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 11:31 AM, John Simmons wrote:
>>> Anybody remember the Bash books?
>>>
>>> -de John NI0K
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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I took my First Phone exam at the Seattle FCC office in the early 70's.
You had to pass the elements for the 2nd before they would administer the
first class elements. I distinctly remember a schematic of a mobile power
supply with various questions on the test I had.

The thread reminded me that a bunch of students from a local broadcast
school came in just before we started and announced that they were there
to take "the test". The proctor asked "which test?" and they immediately
went in to panic mode. After several phone calls they determined it was
the 3rd class radiotelephone. ;-)

de K7KG

> The time of which sI peak was in the mid-1950s. As I vaguely remember
there was study material that prepared you to be a knowledgeable ham.
There was also a big book that prepared you technically to be a radio
station engineer. At a later time there was a one-day cram course to
prepare you for the exam for first phone. Before my time if you had a
radiotelephone certificate you had to have a certain amount of
> experience working at a commercial station in order to renew your
license.
>
> 73,
>
> Jim - W4BQP
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EricJ-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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Any General Class ham could administer the Novice test. The FCC field
offices initially administered the testing, but some time in the mid-50s
it was given over to volunteer hams. It could be anyone you could dig up
to sign the paperwork. There were no designated VEs at the time.

I don't remember the details, but for those who could not go to an FCC
field office for the General (disability, too far, etc.), they could get
a waiver and get a Conditional License. That was also administered by a
local ham, but it might have required more than one to sign off. Same
privileges as a General Class. There might have been some limitations on
renewals, but I don't remember them.

Eric KE6US

On 4/28/2020 11:35 AM, Mike Short wrote:

> I got my Novice in 1972 in Boise Idaho. I don’t remember if there was an
> FCC office there. Would they have gone to other cities to administer exams,
> or did they have VE’s by then? My dad and I both tested together.
> Mike
> AI4NS
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:49 Jim Campbell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The time of which I speak was in the mid-1950s. As I vaguely remember
>> there was study material that prepared you to be a knowledgeable ham.
>> There was also a big book that prepared you technically to be a radio
>> station engineer. At a later time there was a one-day cram course to
>> prepare you for the exam for first phone. Before my time if you had a
>> radiotelephone certificate you had to have a certain amount of
>> experience working at a commercial station in order to renew your license.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim - W4BQP
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 11:31 AM, John Simmons wrote:
>>> Anybody remember the Bash books?
>>>
>>> -de John NI0K
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Phil Kane-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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On 4/28/2020 11:35 AM, Mike Short wrote:

> I got my Novice in 1972 in Boise Idaho. I don’t remember if there was an
> FCC office there. Would they have gone to other cities to administer exams,
> or did they have VE’s by then? My dad and I both tested together.

In that era there were traveling FCC exam sessions (usually quarterly)
in such cities. The "VE" system as we know it started in the mid-1980a
but if someone was more than 75 (or was it 150) miles from a quarterly
examination point, the exam for a Conditional license that had General
Class privileges could be administered by mail supervised by a
designated ham licensee.

Sometime in that era, Novice and Technician Class license exams were
shunted off to designated ham licensees as well because the FCC wanted
to try it out nationwide. Some of the FCC examiners were happy about
that, some were not. Hard to please everyone.

For a very short time, the FCC contracted with the US Civil Service
Commission to give written license exams at selected CSC offices but
that was never a success and did not last very long.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Phil Kane-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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On 4/28/2020 7:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> I recall many much older folks seemingly to be struggling to take the
> tests. Some commented "what's this kid doing in here?" Seems some had
> taken it several times without success.

U took my Second Phone exam in 1952 when I was 16 (senior year in HS) at
the old New York Office. Being so cocksure I never studied the stuff
for Element One (Rules and Regulations) and blew it big time because one
had to recite the "proper answer" word for word. Came back a month
later and aced it, as well as the other two elements. took Element
Four for the First Phone a year later when I was 17 and a freshman in
engineering school.

The examiner in those days was the legendary Charles Finkelman, whose
name led to the "Uncle Charlie" nickname for the FCC in later years. He
appeared formidable to us applicants, but in real life he was a really
nice guy.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Jim Brown-10

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.

My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to
early '80s.

73, Jim K9YC

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Wes Stewart-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

On September 13, 1982, public law 97-259 was enacted which amended the
Communications Act of 1934 to permit the FCC to accept the services of private
individuals and organizations acting to prepare and administer examinations for
applicants wishing to obtain (or upgrade) an Amateur Radio license. (Source:
Anchorage Amateur Radio Club)

Wes N7WS

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>
> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to early
> '80s.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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Yes, that's right. I took the Novice exam in May 1954 and the General
exam in May and June, 1955. both at the FCC in Detroit - flunked the
code first time around. Does anyone remember K8DX, long-time head of
the Detroit office of the FCC and a truly formidable figure (especially
if you're 14). Like other FCC figures mentioned here, I understand he
was a good guy, but after all, I was 14!

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>
> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to
> early '80s.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Ted Roycraft-3

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I took the test for Extra administered by an FCC examiner, David Popkin,
in NYC in 1964. So there were still FCC examiners then. Funny that I
still remember David Popkin's name but I can't remember what I had for
dinner last night.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

EricJ-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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Poor choice of words on my part, Jim. "Volunteer hams" were NOT VE's .
They weren't recognized by or known to the FCC other than as ham
licensees. A prospective ham would find a local ham to volunteer to
administer the exam and sign some forms. I don't think it could be a
relative, but other than that it could be any General class ham off the
street. That action was taken in 1955. I took my Novice exam in 1957
with some random PFC ham my dad found in his Army unit. He might have
been his radio operator, but he was a General Class ham from civilian
life. I have no doubt many Novices were tested by their elmers in those
days.

What you're probably remembering is the institution of VE's in 1982.
While not employees of the FCC, of course, they are officially
recognized examiners by the FCC. Also remember, I'm only talking about
the Novice and Conditional exams. General class hams were still tested
by the FCC. For much of that period there were no Advanced or Extra
licenses issued at all, but until the VE program, they also were tested
by the FCC.

Eric KE6US

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

Roger D Johnson

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I was stationed with the Coast Guard in Kodiak, Alaska between Summer
1976 and Summer 1978. I flew up to Anchorage to take my Extra exam before
an examiner. Probably sometime in 1977.

73, Roger

On 4/29/2020 10:47 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote:

> I took the test for Extra administered by an FCC examiner, David Popkin, in NYC
> in 1964. So there were still FCC examiners then. Funny that I still remember
> David Popkin's name but I can't remember what I had for dinner last night.
>
> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>
> On 4/29/2020 12:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>>
>> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to early
>> '80s.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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k6dgw

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>
> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to
> early '80s.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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John Simmons

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about
6 months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way
before the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as
a VE early on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think
it is a great change for us hams.

73,
-de John NI0K

Fred Jensen wrote on 4/29/2020 4:14 PM:

> I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>>
>> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s
>> to early '80s.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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Hi all,This brings back old memories. In 1962, I was in Vocational School in St Paul, MN studying Electronics. My instructors told me to get a 1st Phone w radar endorsement as it would make it easier to get a job. So I did at the FCC office in St Paul, and since then every job I had, required a 1st or 2nd class and some jobs a radar endorsement.I had to renewed it by getting 5 endorsements from officials in charge of the stations. I did not like it when it was converted to General Radio Telephone and life time.I got my ham license in 2011 as I could not do CW. I tried but always failed.
73Jim HK7SSS
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I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about
6 months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way
before the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as
a VE early on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think
it is a great change for us hams.

73,
-de John NI0K
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EricJ-2

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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A google search brought up a number of websites with a history of ham
licensing. They all say exactly what I said. From Wikipedia:

"In the 1950s and 1960s, Novice, Technician and Conditional exams were
given by licensees acting as volunteer examiners."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio_licensing_in_the_United_States

Volunteer examiners does not mean Volunteer Examiners (VE) as we've
known them since 1984. VE organizations are officially recognized by the
FCC. Before that, they were hams who volunteered to whoever asked to
administer the test, sign it, and mail it to the FCC. They were not part
of any officially recognized program as VE's are. They were just Joe Ham
whose friend, acquaintance or stranger asked them to give them the test.
The applicant sent away to the FCC for the test and gave it to Joe Ham
in a sealed envelope. I did the deed many times at K2USA when I was
stationed there in the 60's. I was just a guy with a General Class
license who volunteered to give them a code test and proctor a written test.

Eric KE6US

ex-K1DCK, WA6YCF, WB2PVW

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Macy monkeys

Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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I took my General at the FCC office downtown Portland in the late 60s. The examiner was a tough and gruff staffer named Francis McCann. IMHO, he was extra tough on 14 year olds, hi. You know my heart was racing when that series of V's came through those headphones!

John K7FD

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, John Simmons <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I took my Extra at the FCC in St Paul somewhere 1985-1987. It was about 6 months before the FCC testing ended. I wanted to get it out of the way before the VE program started. Fear of the unknown, I guess. I worked as a VE early on in the program. I've seen some abuses, but overall I think it is a great change for us hams.
>
> 73,
> -de John NI0K
>
> Fred Jensen wrote on 4/29/2020 4:14 PM:
>> I'm pretty sure it was in the early 80's.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 4/28/2020 9:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>> On 4/28/2020 4:16 PM, EricJ wrote:
>>>> but some time in the mid-50s it was given over to volunteer hams.
>>>
>>> My memory is that it was a LOT later than that. I'd guess late '70s to early '80s.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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On 4/29/2020 4:46 PM, Jim H via Elecraft wrote:

> I did not like it when it was converted to General Radio Telephone and life time

You weren't alone. I was one of the field supervisors whose opinion was
being considered by the committee that dealt on how to do the
transition, but the handwriting was on the wall. Ditto for the amateur
radio VE testing transition.

Blame me for suggesting the new name - it's the international name of
that license but few of the members recognized that.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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On 4/29/2020 5:52 PM, Macy monkeys wrote:

> I took my General at the FCC office downtown Portland in the late
> 60s. The examiner was a tough and gruff staffer named Francis McCann.
> IMHO, he was extra tough on 14 year olds, hi. You know my heart was
> racing when that series of V's came through those headphones!

Frank McCann was one of the old timers when I joined the agency in 1967.
By that time he was the Engineer in Charge of the Portland Office but
the EIC did a lot of the journeyman jobs in those smaller offices. When
he retired in the late 1970s (or was it the early 1980s) I applied for
his job but they had to give it to someone else whose office was being
closed and I continued at the San Francisco Office until I retired in
1995. I have no idea what happened to him after that.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
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Re: OT: The Colpitts mystery

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Will this “Mystery” ever be solved?

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...nr4c. bill

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 4/29/2020 4:46 PM, Jim H via Elecraft wrote:
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>> I did not like it when it was converted to General Radio Telephone and life time
>
> You weren't alone. I was one of the field supervisors whose opinion was
> being considered by the committee that dealt on how to do the
> transition, but the handwriting was on the wall. Ditto for the amateur
> radio VE testing transition.
>
> Blame me for suggesting the new name - it's the international name of
> that license but few of the members recognized that.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
>
> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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