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Jim Low man

Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
transceiver for 2m and above.
It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly 70cm,
33 cm and 23 cm.

If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like an
American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band is
authorized only in Region 2.
The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only, thus
far.

We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it, since
they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.

Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.

Opinions?

73 de Jim - AD6CW

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Bayard Coolidge, N1HO

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

What you're suggesting is, basically, a replacement for the venerable
Yaesu FT-736R, which I bought new so many years ago. I used it for
several years from a hilltop QTH in New Hampshire, making CW and
SSB contacts on all bands up through 1296, except 902. I still have that
rig, as well as my "brick" amplifiers and antennas for those bands.

I'd love to see Elecraft make a replacement for that rig, with the superior
receiver characteristics and other features that Elecraft is famous for. It
would be intriguing to see if a modular design could be developed, with
per-band plug-in modules. Not everyone will want 222 or 902MHz immediately, but
it would be nice to be able to add those bands if desired, for example. The
ability to run cross-band and to key separate external amplifiers on a per-band
basis (and/or external preamps) would fit my requirements nicely, as would
monitoring an altogether different band on an optional subreceiver (c.f. KRX3).
I have an external 10MHz signal source driving my K3EXREF, and I would hope
that this could be used to lock the various LOs in this envisioned rig, as is
currently the case with the K144RFLCK.

I think such an offering would help revive activity in the VHF/UHF bands, not
only for Technician class licensees, but for Generals and Extra Class,
and demonstrate that we continue to need and use our allocated spectrum there,
not just for "Funny Mode", but for serious weak-signal work as well.

Thanks for raising the question, Jim !

73 de Brandy, N1HO
Lighthouse Point, FL (and Hendersonville, NC during hurricane season)
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N5GE

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

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No.

The K3 works very well with built-in 2m XVTR and the Elecraft
external XVTR kits.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:58:46 -0800, you wrote:

>A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
>transceiver for 2m and above.
>It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly 70cm,
>33 cm and 23 cm.
>
>If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like an
>American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band is
>authorized only in Region 2.
>The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only, thus
>far.
>
>We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it, since
>they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
>
>Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
>It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
>convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
>
>Opinions?
>
>73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
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Stevan Gajic

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

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Definitely. It would need to be rugged and water proof. I'm guessing an HT type form factor. Optional modules to include GPS for APRS and maybe Bluetooth so you could BlueCAT and pair a headset. I'd really like to see digital capability, such as DSTAR. I also wouldn't mind if it covered other services in addition to HAM; FRS and GMRS for starters. Maybe a high powered HackRF/KX3 type of solution. You would only need 5w TX and if you want more power hook up an amp.> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Jim Lowman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode transceiver for 2m and above.
> It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly 70cm, 33 cm and 23 cm.
>
> If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like an American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band is authorized only in Region 2.
> The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only, thus far.
>
> We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it, since they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
>
> Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
> It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
>
> Opinions?
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW

KE8G

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

Hi All,
As for me, I say no.

I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in making the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.

Just my .02 worth!

73 de Jim - KE8G

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> No.
>
> The K3 works very well with built-in 2m XVTR and the Elecraft
> external XVTR kits.
>
>
>
>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:58:46 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
>> transceiver for 2m and above.
>> It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly 70cm,
>> 33 cm and 23 cm.
>>
>> If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like an
>> American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band is
>> authorized only in Region 2.
>> The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only, thus
>> far.
>>
>> We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it, since
>> they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
>>
>> Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
>> It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
>> convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
>>
>> Opinions?
>>
>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>
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Gary Gregory-2

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

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For me?...nope.
I would like to see the P3 display TX signal via the remote sensor promised
many moons ago.
Maybe even a 1kw hf amplifier.
How about an optional 299w PA for the K3?
I feel the P3 has quite a way to go in development and I like the idea of
using a keyboard with the P3 for rtty and digital modes without the need
for a PC with decode display on the screen.
Whatever Elecraft decide I am sure we will all be impressed...:-)

Gary
On 01/02/2014 2:45 AM, "Stevan Gajic" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Definitely. It would need to be rugged and water proof. I'm guessing an HT
> type form factor. Optional modules to include GPS for APRS and maybe
> Bluetooth so you could BlueCAT and pair a headset. I'd really like to see
> digital capability, such as DSTAR. I also wouldn't mind if it covered other
> services in addition to HAM; FRS and GMRS for starters. Maybe a high
> powered HackRF/KX3 type of solution. You would only need 5w TX and if you
> want more power hook up an amp.> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Jim Lowman" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
> transceiver for 2m and above.
> > It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly 70cm,
> 33 cm and 23 cm.
> >
> > If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like an
> American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band is
> authorized only in Region 2.
> > The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only, thus
> far.
> >
> > We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it, since
> they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
> >
> > Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
> > It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
> convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
> >
> > Opinions?
> >
> > 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
>
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Arno Dienhart-2

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

I believe that all the arguments pro such an idea are wishful thinking. I
believe no Technician will stay with the hobby just because such an offering
would be made. If they are in need of the hardware to meet their
past-repeater desires, the easier way for them is to go General and get
what's already available on the market cheaply.

Further, Elecraft or any other company needs to have a market big enough to
warrant the endeavor, and a few gearheads will not be enough.

And that is my 2 c.

73 de Arno K7RNO

PS: I was such a Technician, with a Yaesu FT-60 and the desire to do CW. My
only option was to do MCW, which I did, but I was the only one around. So I
upgraded license and gear and got the KX3.

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Michael Adams

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by KE8G

I agree.

If there were a few HEO birds in the sky, maybe that sliver of the market which is not happy with either DC-to-daylight rigs or transverters would be large enough for someone (hopefully Elecraft) to produce such a rig -- I'd love to have one. But for now....

Personally, I'd like to see the continued improvements in the K-line (and market pressures) lead to a K4 -- say starting with a K3, adding a USB3 interface for CAT control, FSK+CW keying, onboard sound interface, and P3-like video output, perhaps expanded to dongle-like DC-to-daylight receive. Maybe an HDMI-out option for external video and sound display, or even (using either regular Ethernet or Ethernet-over-HDMI) optional integrated remoting.

While I'm OK with 100W out, I wouldn't mind energy being spent on a 200W option. And yes, maybe support for two or three onboard transverters, perhaps eventually releasing optional 222, 432, and/or 900MHz modules in addition to 2m, if enough VHF/UHF demand could be found.

Hey, I can dream. :)

--
Michael / N1EN

KE8G wrote:

> Hi All,
> As for me, I say no.
>
> I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in making
> the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.
>
> Just my .02 worth!
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Jack Chomley

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by KE8G

You never know what Elecraft may do, in the future, development and protototyping is a very closely guarded secret until near release time.
Of all things (I would still like one) I asked for an SSB module for the KX1 and.....was told that it would not happen, so I thought for a couple of months and realised a K2 would be my only way out. I buy that K2 kit and.........not 3 months later info is released about this new KX3 radio :-)
No wonder I had no hope for a KX1 SSB module!
So you never know.....Elecraft may well be working on a VHF/UHF offering........even if it's only at the thinking stage :-)

73,

Jack VK4JRC

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bobgarceau

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

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No

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Hi All,
As for me, I say no.

I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in
making the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.

Just my .02 worth!

73 de Jim - KE8G

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> No.
>
> The K3 works very well with built-in 2m XVTR and the Elecraft external
> XVTR kits.
>
>
>
>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:58:46 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>> A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
>> transceiver for 2m and above.
>> It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly
>> 70cm,
>> 33 cm and 23 cm.
>>
>> If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like
>> an American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band
>> is authorized only in Region 2.
>> The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only,
>> thus far.
>>
>> We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it,
>> since they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
>>
>> Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another question.
>> It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
>> convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
>>
>> Opinions?
>>
>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>
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Ted Edwards W3TB

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

No false expectations that a VHF contest would ever sound like field day.
Expectation is that it would introduce the Tech FMers to something new and
fun.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Robert Garceau <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of KE8G
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:20 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF
> offering from Elecraft?
>
> Hi All,
> As for me, I say no.
>
> I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in
> making the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.
>
> Just my .02 worth!
>
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Tom <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > No.
> >
> > The K3 works very well with built-in 2m XVTR and the Elecraft external
> > XVTR kits.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 18:58:46 -0800, you wrote:
> >>
> >> A friend on another list came up with the idea of an all-mode
> >> transceiver for 2m and above.
> >> It would be especially nice to see coverage of 1.25m, and possibly
> >> 70cm,
> >> 33 cm and 23 cm.
> >>
> >> If such support for 1.25m, especially, is forthcoming, it looks like
> >> an American manufacturer would be the best candidate, since that band
> >> is authorized only in Region 2.
> >> The only offerings from the JA manufacturers for 1.25m are FM-only,
> >> thus far.
> >>
> >> We know that the designers and engineers at Elecraft are up to it,
> >> since they offer transverter kits up through 70cm.
> >>
> >> Whether it would be economical to bring it to market is another
> question.
> >> It would be perfect for Technician-class hams, if they could be
> >> convinced that there's more out there than the repeaters.
> >>
> >> Opinions?
> >>
> >> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> >>
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Rose

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

I have no interest at all ...

73!

K0PP

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Bob K6UJ

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

No interest at all

73,

Bob
K6UJ

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Rose <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of KE8G
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:20 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF
>> offering from Elecraft?
>>
>> Hi All,
>> As for me, I say no.
>>
>> I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in
>> making the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.
>>
>> Just my .02 worth!
>>
>> 73 de Jim - KE8G
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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Raymond Sills

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

No individual product is going to appear to everyone, so there will be
those who -are- interested in a compact, presumably very portable VHF/
UHF transceiver, and there will be those who could care less.

I, for one, have no interest in a KPA500. I'm a QRP guy. But I can
sure appreciate the design and engineering that appeals to it's many
owners. Same for the K3, and the P3. I'm glad they exist, even
though I don't play to buy one.

However, even if a rig like an all mode V/UHF is not your cup of
tea... it still might be a viable product. And additional products
help expand the customer base for Elecraft, and keep it financially
sound, which is good for all customers.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

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David Gilbert

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

Spending development effort, time, and money on a product for a limited
or highly competitive market doesn't keep any company financially
sound. It does just the opposite. I'm not saying whether a very
portable all-mode VHF/UHF rig falls into that category or not, but I'll
bet it's a decision that Elecraft has already made one way or the other.

Dave AB7E

On 1/31/2014 1:54 PM, Ray Sills wrote:

> No individual product is going to appear to everyone, so there will be
> those who -are- interested in a compact, presumably very portable
> VHF/UHF transceiver, and there will be those who could care less.
>
> I, for one, have no interest in a KPA500. I'm a QRP guy. But I can
> sure appreciate the design and engineering that appeals to it's many
> owners. Same for the K3, and the P3. I'm glad they exist, even
> though I don't play to buy one.
>
> However, even if a rig like an all mode V/UHF is not your cup of
> tea... it still might be a viable product. And additional products
> help expand the customer base for Elecraft, and keep it financially
> sound, which is good for all customers.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211

Bernie KF0QS

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by Jim Low man

I would definitely be interested in such a radio. I do have an FT-736R, and although I love the radio, I would welcome the opportunity to replace it with something up-to-date.

Although I recognize that satellite opportunities are limited right now (which is why I have the 736), I'd still be interested in a new radio with similar, but updated, capabilities.

Bernie KF0QS

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

I forgot to mention that part of the interest in an Elecraft VHF/UHF all mode rig would be the pleasure of building it, which is not something I got to experience with the 736.

MontyS

Re: Would anyone like to see an all-modeVHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

In reply to this post by bobgarceau

Agreed. My new IC-7100 does a nice job, and it includes HF, and can be
mobile.
Monty K2DLJ

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Would anyone like to see an all-modeVHF/UHF offering
from Elecraft?

No

Hi All,
As for me, I say no.

I would rather have the folks at Elecraft invest their talents and time, in
making the continued improvements in the K3, P3, KPA500 & KAT500.

Just my .02 worth!

73 de Jim - KE8G

Sent from my iPad

>
> No.
>
> The K3 works very well with built-in 2m XVTR and the Elecraft external
> XVTR kits.
>

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Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

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I think the only thing you will get agreement on as far as developments here
is that all the hams will want free hats at Dayton (except me... I've got
one!).

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ PJ4HZ

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Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois

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I would definitely be interested in such a radio. I do have an FT-736R, and
although I love the radio, I would welcome the opportunity to replace it
with something up-to-date.

Although I recognize that satellite opportunities are limited right now
(which is why I have the 736), I'd still be interested in a new radio with
similar, but updated, capabilities.

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Re: Would anyone like to see an all-mode VHF/UHF offering from Elecraft?

Hopefully the hats are not a mature design. We need further development with
more color choices.

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR.

On 1/31/2014 5:41 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:

> I think the only thing you will get agreement on as far as developments here
> is that all the hams will want free hats at Dayton (except me... I've got
> one!).
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ PJ4HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch
> Staunton, Illinois
>
> email: [hidden email]
>
>

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