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John Cooper

paddle key training

Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.

WT5Y

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Mike Reublin

Re: paddle key training

Right handed, BY-1 dits on left.. Go to YouTube and search on iambic keyer.

73, Mike NF4L

On 3/25/2011 6:56 PM, John Cooper wrote:

> Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.
>
> WT5Y
>
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AC7AC

Re: paddle key training

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Re: paddle key training

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:56:09 -0500
"John Cooper" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows
> how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to
> poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right
> paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.
>
> WT5Y

I send right handed and the left paddle is dits, right paddle dahs.
Just like my bug.

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AC0H
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k6dgw

Re: paddle key training

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On 3/25/2011 3:56 PM, John Cooper wrote:
> Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows
> how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to
> poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right
> paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.

Wow John, you are going to get as many opinions as there are people who
read your post! :-) I wouldn't be too surprised if one or two also
assert their answers are "right" and all the rest are "wrong." [;-))

I don't know of any videos on the I'net, and given the above, they
probably would convey just one person's opinion anyway, and YMMV.
Here's mine:

I'm left-handed but, like most southpaws, can [and have to, sometimes]
do things right handed, it's called "Tyranny of the Majority." Try a
hand operated can opener left-handed. We conducted a survey here about
4 or 5 years ago, and while roughly half of the southies paddled north,
less than 1% of the northpaws paddled south. Apparently we lefties are
far more adaptable than our right-handed brethren [and sistren]. So,
you first have to figure out if you're right or left-handed. Once you
have that ...

A standard right-handed bug has the dots on the thumb and dashes on the
fingers. You could buy left-handed bugs, maybe still can, but they were
more expensive. My Elmer was left-handed too, but he taught me to send
right so I could write in my log with my left. When I graduated to an
old WW2 surplus Lionel J-36, I used it right-handed. I still usually
paddle right, dots on the thumb.

I can and sometimes do paddle left. Generally this is when using
someone else's rig who paddles south. It doesn't seem to matter much if
he has dots on the thumb or fingers, I get used to it right away. I've
also seen right-handers turn a left-handed paddle around, put their hand
over the paddle and work it just fine.

The message: "Do what works for you, there is no 'right' answer." If
you're a leftie and think you might have frequent occasion to use
someone else's paddle [FD, county expeditions, etc], the odds are about
80-85 out of 100 if he is male that he will be right-handed and have it
set up north with dots on the thumb. The odds he will be male are about
99 out of 100. In that case, you might want to just learn to paddle
right with dots on the thumb. Again though, it's like boats ...
whatever floats yours will work just fine.

Enjoy your K2, enjoy being in a fairly small world-wide group that
converse in Morse code.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

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N5GE

Re: paddle key training

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Left handed folks generally prefer dit on the right. Anyone have statistics on
that? Right handers use dits on the left.

However some CW ops have said in the past that they send with their left hand
and log with their right. I suppose left handed folks would do the oposite.

Tom
N5GE

On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:56:09 -0500, "John Cooper" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.
>
>WT5Y
>
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Gary Gregory

Re: paddle key training

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*To everybody, I AM WRONG, so sayeth everyone who tries to use my
paddle...Grin*
*
*
*You guessed it folks...My Dits are on the LEFT and DAH's on the right.*
*
*
*But then I AM different, I also live in 'The Land Downunder' where the
water in the toilet bowl swirls opposite to the US...is that wrong
too...Grin*
*
*
*Aaaah...Dare to be different I say!*
*
*
*OK, back to my backwards CW I go!*
*
*
*As a very good mate has told me often..'It's not me, it's the OTHERS you
have to watch.......all the time'*
*
*
*73's*
*Gary
*
On 26 March 2011 09:41, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 3/25/2011 3:56 PM, John Cooper wrote:
> > Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows
> > how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to
> > poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right
> > paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.
>
> Wow John, you are going to get as many opinions as there are people who
> read your post! :-) I wouldn't be too surprised if one or two also
> assert their answers are "right" and all the rest are "wrong." [;-))
>
> I don't know of any videos on the I'net, and given the above, they
> probably would convey just one person's opinion anyway, and YMMV.
> Here's mine:
>
> I'm left-handed but, like most southpaws, can [and have to, sometimes]
> do things right handed, it's called "Tyranny of the Majority." Try a
> hand operated can opener left-handed. We conducted a survey here about
> 4 or 5 years ago, and while roughly half of the southies paddled north,
> less than 1% of the northpaws paddled south. Apparently we lefties are
> far more adaptable than our right-handed brethren [and sistren]. So,
> you first have to figure out if you're right or left-handed. Once you
> have that ...
>
> A standard right-handed bug has the dots on the thumb and dashes on the
> fingers. You could buy left-handed bugs, maybe still can, but they were
> more expensive. My Elmer was left-handed too, but he taught me to send
> right so I could write in my log with my left. When I graduated to an
> old WW2 surplus Lionel J-36, I used it right-handed. I still usually
> paddle right, dots on the thumb.
>
> I can and sometimes do paddle left. Generally this is when using
> someone else's rig who paddles south. It doesn't seem to matter much if
> he has dots on the thumb or fingers, I get used to it right away. I've
> also seen right-handers turn a left-handed paddle around, put their hand
> over the paddle and work it just fine.
>
> The message: "Do what works for you, there is no 'right' answer." If
> you're a leftie and think you might have frequent occasion to use
> someone else's paddle [FD, county expeditions, etc], the odds are about
> 80-85 out of 100 if he is male that he will be right-handed and have it
> set up north with dots on the thumb. The odds he will be male are about
> 99 out of 100. In that case, you might want to just learn to paddle
> right with dots on the thumb. Again though, it's like boats ...
> whatever floats yours will work just fine.
>
> Enjoy your K2, enjoy being in a fairly small world-wide group that
> converse in Morse code.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
> - www.cqp.org
>
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Ken G Kopp

Re: paddle key training

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Thumb on right paddle makes dits.

Have a left-handed guest op? Suggest turning paddles
around backwards and reach over the top. (:-))

73!
Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Gary Gregory

Re: paddle key training

*Ken..the FW will reverse it too.*
*
*
*Gary
*
On 26 March 2011 09:49, Ken - K0PP <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Thumb on right paddle makes dits.
>
> Have a left-handed guest op? Suggest turning paddles
> around backwards and reach over the top. (:-))
>
> 73!
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
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w7go

Re: paddle key training

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You have gotten some good info already, but let me show you an example of
some of my favorite types of answers here:
Forget about the paddles, you need to use a straight key.

73,

Tony W7GO
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Gary Gregory

Re: paddle key training

*Or slack key :-)*
*Gary
*
On 26 March 2011 09:57, Tony Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You have gotten some good info already, but let me show you an example of
> some of my favorite types of answers here:
> Forget about the paddles, you need to use a straight key.
>
> 73,
>
> Tony W7GO
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n7ws

Re: paddle key training

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Both of my parents were naturally left-handed. My dad golfed and bowled as a lefty but wrote with his right. I wish I had his penmanship.

My mom also wrote right-handed. She learned that after the good nuns in the convent where my grandmother left her would hit her fingers with the edge of a ruler if she even touched her pencil with her left hand.

Her penmanship wasn't so great but her aversion to religion was.

Wes N7WS

--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>
> I'm left-handed but, like most southpaws, can [and have to,
> sometimes]
> do things right handed, it's called "Tyranny of the
> Majority."
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Jack West

Re: paddle key training

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Hi there,

I can send using paddles right or left handed. I use the thumb for dits no matter
which hand I am using. This requires reversing the paddles for left handed
keying. I came up with a simple solution. I use a bencher with the MFJ 422B
box mounted on it.

For left hand operation I simply turn the bencher upside down. I installed four
Rad-Shack rubber feet on top of the 422 b box. This is a very simple solution
for swapping the paddles.

Our club had a social CW net which met two nights a week. One mondays I
checked using right handed keying. On Fridays I checked in left handed.
Our NCS coined two new Q-Codes for this operation. QRH = right handed
keying and QLH = left handed keying. He would always ask which I was
using.

I have a demo that uses two seperate paddles monted on a common board
mounted 90 deg from each other. These paddles hook in parallel to the
electronic circuit. One set of paddles is labled right hand and the other is
labled left hand. I am able to QSO CW by alternating letters back and forth
using both hands. Occassionally I may send two or three letters from the
same paddle but not often. I dont have tothink about it...it comes naturally.
I call my Demo "TWO FISTED CW"

73 de
Jack / W7LD / "Lucky Dog"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]>
To: "'John Cooper'" <[hidden email]>; "'elecraft'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] paddle key training

> Push paddle right for dits and left for dahs - based on decades of using a
> conventional right-handed semi-automatic key (bug).
>
> I was a bit surprised when, a few years ago, I started hearing about people
> using the reverse but it makes sense - anything so easily changed will be
> changed by someone. The old rationale that there was less fatigue launching
> the mechanism to make dots when it was done by the thumb doesn't apply to
> paddles. (Actually there are bugs for left-handed people that are reversed
> too).
>
> I'm sure there are more "techniques" with paddles since they can be made to
> respond to a whisper touch so the old "roll the wrist" action that was
> common on bugs to avoid fatigue no longer applies, but I've never pursued
> them. Indeed, I seldom use the paddles - I prefer the bug :-)
>
> Have fun John!
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows how to
> use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to poll those that
> use paddles do you have dits on the left or right paddle? Curious as to
> what the majority uses.
>
> WT5Y
>
> My K2 is up and running from getting it yesterday. At least to where you
> check out the basic functions. Starting Reciever and PLL Synthesizer
> tonight.
>
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Bob-270

Re: paddle key training

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As a rule of thumb, dits with the thumb...

73,
Bob
K2TK

On 3/25/2011 7:44 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Left handed folks generally prefer dit on the right. Anyone have statistics on
> that? Right handers use dits on the left.
>
> However some CW ops have said in the past that they send with their left hand
> and log with their right. I suppose left handed folks would do the oposite.
>
> Tom
> N5GE
>
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:56:09 -0500, "John Cooper"<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of any google or youtube videos or a website that shows how to use a key like the bencher by-1 or 2. Also I would like to poll those that use paddles do you have dits on the left or right paddle? Curious as to what the majority uses.
>>
>> WT5Y
>>
>> My K2 is up and running from getting it yesterday. At least to where you check out the basic functions. Starting Reciever and PLL Synthesizer tonight.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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n7ws

Re: paddle key training

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As a teenager, I knew an old gentlemen who had been a Western Union telegrapher. He had a two-story house (unusual in Tucson) and the whole second floor was a replica of a WU station. He wasn't a ham but had some TRF receivers that he'd built and one that I believe was US Navy surplus.

He gave me a Western Union "1-B Pole Changer Key" made by Bunnell, that I still use today. If I want, I can wire it to send "inverted" CW. (My fist is bad enough these days, it would hardly be noticeable)

Interesting tidbit, especially to a guy named Stewart: The first telegraph station in Arizona Territory (1871) was at Pipe Spring and the first operator was a 16 year old girl, named Ella Stewart.

http://www.nps.gov/pisp/planyourvisit/historical-figures.htm

Wes N7WS

--- On Fri, 3/25/11, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] paddle key training
> To: "Ken - K0PP" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:52 PM
> *Ken..the FW will reverse it too.*
> *
> *
> *Gary
> *
> On 26 March 2011 09:49, Ken - K0PP <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Thumb on right paddle makes dits.
> >
> > Have a left-handed guest op? Suggest turning
> paddles
> > around backwards and reach over the top. (:-))
> >
> > 73!
> > Ken Kopp - K0PP
> > [hidden email]

Re: paddle key training

Well Mr. Stewart, I happen to be the trustee for the ham station aboard the USS
Stewart, DE-238 which is a museum ship on Pelican Island, Texas (City of
Galveston). If you ever get to this part of Texas we could arrange for a bit of
operating time from the ship. It was named for Rear Admiral Charles Stewart,
Captain of the USS Constitution during the War of 1812, maybe one of your
ancestors. The call on the ship is N5BPS which is a slight alteration of NBPS,
the call of the USS Cavalla, SS244 which is the Submarine alongside the Stewart.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ

________________________________
From: Wes Stewart <[hidden email]>
To: Ken - K0PP <[hidden email]>; Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
Cc: elecraft <[hidden email]>
Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 7:40:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] paddle key training

As a teenager, I knew an old gentlemen who had been a Western Union
telegrapher. He had a two-story house (unusual in Tucson) and the whole second
floor was a replica of a WU station. He wasn't a ham but had some TRF receivers
that he'd built and one that I believe was US Navy surplus.

He gave me a Western Union "1-B Pole Changer Key" made by Bunnell, that I still
use today. If I want, I can wire it to send "inverted" CW. (My fist is bad
enough these days, it would hardly be noticeable)

Interesting tidbit, especially to a guy named Stewart: The first telegraph
station in Arizona Territory (1871) was at Pipe Spring and the first operator
was a 16 year old girl, named Ella Stewart.

http://www.nps.gov/pisp/planyourvisit/historical-figures.htm

Wes N7WS

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>
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gm3sek

Re: paddle key training

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Jack West wrote:
>
>I can send using paddles right or left handed.
[...]
>I am able to QSO CW by alternating letters back and forth using both
>hands. Occassionally I may send two or three letters from the same
>paddle but not often. I dont have tothink about it...it comes
>naturally. I call my Demo "TWO FISTED CW"
>
>73 de
>Jack / W7LD / "Lucky Dog"
>

Lucky Dog indeed - the only way that my brain could be separated into
independent sides like that would be with an axe!

CW sending always seems to be an extreme case of "Your Wiring May Vary".

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Re: paddle key training

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Fred Jensen wrote:
>The message: "Do what works for you, there is no 'right' answer."

And also: "Don't ask a talented person - ask someone who had to work at
it."

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Charles Tropp

Re: paddle key training

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Are you proficient with a straight key? You need to get your timing
perfect before you "progress" to a paddle. You may not like a squeeze
paddle. See for e.g. /Iambic Keying - Debunking the Myth/ by Marshall G
Emm, N1FN (Freely available at http://www.mtechnologies.com/. For lots
of other resources including CW mentors see the Straight Key Century
Club website at http://www.skccgroup.com/.

GL & 73, Charles, N2SO

On 3/25/2011 6:56 PM, John Cooper wrote:

Pete Smith N4ZR

Re: paddle key training

In reply to this post by gm3sek

But.... I learned to send electronic key CW some 52 years ago using a
borrowed paddle and vacuum tube keyer. I was a young kid then and
hesitated to change anything, so I wound up sending with what, for me,
is a backward paddle (I am left-handed). Never changed, and can't now,
but I've always felt that this arrangement - dits on the index finger,
dahs on the thumb - contributes to a higher than average error rate in
hand-sent CW. I know that the opposite, traditional arrangement was
basically dictated by the need to time dashes manually, while dots were
send by the bug, but wonder if there have been any studies done that
would support or refute this idea.

73, Pete N4ZR

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On 3/26/2011 4:06 AM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
> Fred Jensen wrote:
>> The message: "Do what works for you, there is no 'right' answer."
> And also: "Don't ask a talented person - ask someone who had to work at
> it."
>
>
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